Abortion debate dogs envoy to Vatican

  • Article by: KEVIN DIAZ , Star Tribune
  • Updated: November 8, 2009 - 10:04 PM

St. John's professor would rather talk social justice.

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farmeraNov. 8, 0910:15 PM

We are pro-choice, not pro-abortion. I know of no one who is "pro-abortion." Both pro-choice and anti-abortion factions are pro-life. The difference is we pro-choicers do not want to impose religious opinions upon those that hold different opinions about abortion, and we refuse to endorse the banning of birth control methods and sex education.

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ahumble77Nov. 8, 0910:36 PM

This country has an ambassador-like relationship with the Vatican. Do Episcopalians have an envoy to Canterbury? Why doesn't the church focus a more in the entire message of Pro-Life? What about capital punishment? Oh wait, that's a tougher sell than abortion. Many conservative folks enjoy the "old testament" approach to punishing criminals. How about killing thousands in war? What about all of the genocide that we just turn are head away from? None of that is pro-life. The only reason the church is so focused on abortion is because it is a divisive issue. Talk about an attempt to split the Catholic flock in two. I have no tolerance for anybody who preaches against contraception when people are starving to death and spreading HIV across much of Africa.

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dcswedeNov. 8, 0910:54 PM

We are not pro-murder. I know of no one who is "pro-murder." ...The difference is we do not want to impose religious opinions upon those that hold different opinions about murder. We are not pro-rape. I know of no one who is "pro-rape." ...The difference is we do not want to impose religious opinions upon those that hold different opinions about rape. Do you see how weak your argument is? All legal proscriptions against elements of human behavior are based in moral judments about right and wrong. Sophistry attempting to sever "pro-choice" from "pro-abortion" may help the willfully ignorant to sleep at night, but it is childish as political philosophy.

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ljfromminNov. 9, 0912:19 AM

RELIGION:"something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience" It appears 'farmera'that you certainly are wishing to impose your 'religious' beliefs. As the saying goes..."one must keep an open mind, but not so open as to let your brains fall out"

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ltwnstdNov. 9, 0912:21 AM

Diaz defends positions that he may lack personal conviction for before a man who represents the institution of the "Church". But each of us stand before a "higher" power. We defend our values based on any number of factors and reasoning. We have opinions, and some of them we hold strongly. We are presumebly trying to "Get it Right". And like Diaz we are ambassadors.... but not before a man in Rome, but before the Creator of the universe. And this Creator is not swayed by our reasoning, or our rationalizing. There is only one answer to this problem and He knows what it is, and we would do well to pursue that answer, and stop justifying our position, whatever it might be.

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strib37Nov. 9, 0912:53 AM

We lived for years without an embassy at the Vatican. Now some of my fellow Catholics want to turn it into something other than a diplomatic mission. So let's just call it a budget cutting measure and close it down. I mean no disrespect to the pope -- after initial concerns I've come to admire him greatly -- but too many Catholics seem to think that it is a Church office because it has always gone to Catholics deemed to be in good standing by those who make these judgments. I'm sure they served well. Or, let Obama appoint a non-Catholic to the post. He did not seek a Muslim for Morocco, so why choose a Catholic for the Vatican? Find a savvy diplomat looking for a position out of the cross fire. Although some might prefer to serve in a war zone than at the Vatican.

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lvpops53Nov. 9, 09 1:24 AM

It doesn't matter what his personal views on abortion, or any other subjects that the catholic church has. So long as an issue is the law of OUR land, he will be expected to support it. If he can't, I'm sure he would be relieved.

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ornithopterNov. 9, 09 2:35 AM

Making the Abortion debate about people wanting to 'force' their religious beliefs on someone is crass and highly dishonest. Abortion is a human rights issue, not a specifically religious one despite that many of faith are involved against abortion. Secular ethics alone would dictate that since we cannot determine when life exactly begins that terminating any time after conception is irresponsible and unethical.

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jneisenNov. 9, 09 6:49 AM

"Secular ethics alone would dictate that since we cannot determine when life exactly begins" Oh, its just this old argument. Any biology text will tell you that at the point of conception you have a new life that is neither that of the mother or the father.

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jneisenNov. 9, 09 6:53 AM

"So long as an issue is the law of OUR land, he will be expected to support it"

So prior to 1860 any diplomat that argued that slavery was wrong out to have been removed from his position? Or prior to 1954, such a person out to be fired for saying that "separate, but equal" schools is error ?

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