College women: Stop getting drunk

  • Article by: Emily Yoffe , Slate
  • Updated: October 16, 2013 - 11:39 AM

It isn't blaming the victim to suggest that young women stop setting themselves up for exploitation.

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FrankLOct. 16, 13 1:07 PM

As my father always said, if you go looking for trouble you can usually find it. I understand what the author is saying, you can still go out, have a few drinks and call it a fun night. However, if you are drinking to the point where you can't remember what you did, then you have a problem.

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minnestupidOct. 16, 13 1:33 PM

Regardless, you write that you shouldn't blame the victim yet you are doing exactly that! No matter how much you drink assault is never ok! If you're vulnerable no matter if you have been drinking or are elderly or a child no-one should target you for assault! Binge drinking should be discouraged for women OR men! For some it only takes a "few drinks"!

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savagedruidsOct. 16, 13 1:37 PM

Are you a victim if you get drunk, do something consensual and then regret it when sober? Is it rape? If both are drunk were both raped?

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kauboiOct. 16, 13 2:23 PM

A young man gets drunk, abandons his friends, wanders down a dark alley in a known bad part of town and gets mugged for his phone and wallet. Are the muggers responsible? Yes. Is the man an idiot? Yes. The idea here is to not get into a situation where you lose your control.

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mnsotnOct. 16, 13 2:51 PM

Should girls and women be worried about being raped when going out? Ideally, no. Does it happen? Yes. Is it their fault? No. Are there things that girls and women can do to lessen the chances that they are raped? Yes. Is rape prevention solely the female's responsibility? No, but it is her body, and she has to live with the physical, emotional, and mental (and legal) effects of a rape. One of those things is for them to remain in a good decision-making frame of mind, whether that's by themselves or through a very good friend. Another is for them to watch what they drink. Does that put a lot of the burden of not getting raped on the female? Yes, but, again, it is her body (and mind) that she's protecting. The rapist might have performed an illegal act, but it's the victim who carries the burden. For example, the law says that cars must give bicyclists clearance on the road. But if I'm riding at night without a light, wearing dark clothing, in the middle of a dark street, on the wrong side of the road, and I get hit, it probably would be the driver's fault, but I'm still the one with the broken body. Could I have prevented it? Probably. Not that I'm equating being hit on a bike with being raped, but there are things in both situations that might have been done differently by the victim to reduce their chances. If someone really wants to hit me on my bike, they will. If someone really wants to rape someone, they probably will. But make it harder for them to rape you.

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drichmnOct. 16, 13 2:57 PM

I'm waiting for the headline urging college men not to exploit vulnerable college women.

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submomOct. 16, 13 3:15 PM

By all means women, stop getting drunk, cover yourselves up and while you're at it, stay inside and lock the doors! Or maybe, just maybe, we should start asking men why they think it's okay to have sex with someone who's completely inebriated and/or incapacitated. Are men so incapable of behaving responsibly that the burden of keeping women safe only falls to half the gender?

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MongooseBOct. 16, 13 3:23 PM

It's a rape culture when an incapacitated woman can expect to be raped. It's a rape culture when a woman knows that when she goes out that if she miscalculates and gets drunk, she is vulnerable to rape. Change the rape culture.

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dhenkelsOct. 16, 13 3:28 PM

Why don't we teach men that women are to be respected and not do these kinds of things. Many rapes that happen are not even just alcohol...there are drugs slipped into a woman's drink that makes her drunker than she would be based off the drinks she had. Even knowing yourself and how you are with drinking, things can be weird and affect you faster than you would expect. I'm just tired of women getting the blame. How about men stop binge drinking and thinking it's OK to have sex with a woman that is there. I'm tired of being told places I can't go and things I can't do because I'm a woman and could be attacked. This isn't the soceity I want to live in. Men should have respect for a woman and not try to get her drunk so he can have sex with her. How about we make the penalties for sex with a woman that is that drunk harsher...make men take more responsibility for their actions too.

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hamish96Oct. 16, 13 3:51 PM

To mnsotn: Rape apologist: Term given to rapists and others who doubt the credibility of rape victims and rationalize the assault. Will use phrases like, "If you don't want to get raped, you shouldn't go out in mini-skirts". Your argument that women are responsible for taking precautions so that they aren't raped is wrong. Why? Because it puts the responsibility on women to NOT get themselves raped, rather than on the men that do the raping. Left to their own devices, women would never be raped. The rapist is the key component in the whole thing. There are hundreds of times where women walked home alone, after a few drinks, wearing something that might have shown some leg or cleavage and they weren't raped. The difference was not in what they were doing. The difference was the presence of a rapist.

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