How same-sex marriage soon will be legalized nationwide

  • Article by: John Culhane , Slate
  • Updated: October 3, 2013 - 11:34 AM

An ingenious Pennsylvania lawsuit seems likely to nullify every gay marriage ban in America.

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monkeyplanetOct. 3, 1312:00 PM

The reason the right is losing this battle is simple: there is no logical, rational argument for not allowing citizens of the same sex to marry. Absent a compelling interest to the contrary, the Equal Protection clause of the Constitution demands that the government treat all citizens with impartiality. The fact is, there was never a compelling governmental interest to prohibit same-sex marriage; it's just that the culture has changed to make this into an issue where one didn't exist before. And in this case, the culture has changed for the better. Spare me the twaddle about how marriage has been unchanged through the centuries. Do you believe that divorce should be illegal or hard to get? Do you believe that women should be the property of their husbands? If you don't, then you've already acknowledged the great changes in marriage during the 20th century alone.

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firefight41Oct. 3, 13 3:01 PM

The fact is, there was never a compelling governmental interest to prohibit same-sex marriage; it's just that the culture has changed to make this into an issue where one didn't exist before. **************** Actually morals have changed, the morals of this country fell off the cliff.

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monkeyplanetOct. 3, 13 3:39 PM

@firefight41: Did the morals of the country fall off the cliff when women were no longer considered property of their husbands, or when divorce became easy to get? I'd like to know when.

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sailing64Oct. 3, 13 5:53 PM

monkeyplanet - Thats the only argument you can come up with? The moral decline has begun so let's just take a bigger leap to the bottom? “In a world without the law of God, you have chaos, oppression, tyranny and everyone doing what is right in their own eyes.’

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hawkeye56379Oct. 3, 13 6:44 PM

No, allowing same sex marriage is not lowering morals. Same sex couples have always existed, the only question was a legal one - whether they would have the same right to marry as opposite sex couples. Do people really think that it is "less moral" for same sex couples to be married than for them to just live together? If so, why? For other couples you believe that it's MORE moral to get married, right? Isn't commitment a good thing?

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goldbrickerOct. 3, 13 7:59 PM

sailing54: "you have chaos, oppression, tyranny and everyone doing what is right in their own eyes." -- Conservatives are so confusing. Tell them we want national healthcare and their acceptable answer is "No, I want a choice, I want options, I want to do what is right in my own eyes". Every man for himself when it comes to money according to these jerks. Make it about abortion or same sex marriage (decisions that are none of their damn business) and they want the government telling everyone what they think people shouldn't do because "they shouldn't be able to do what is right in their own eyes." Your religious brainwashing has made you selfish people, you don't follow Christ's word at all anymore. He was all about redistributing wealth and helping the needy, yet you're fighting to keep healthcare private to empower the rich and keep it out the reach of the needy because you don't want to pay a dime for it. The bible wants you to do unto others and respect your neighbors, yet you want to stand in the way of equal rights for all and won't mind your own business.

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monkeyplanetOct. 4, 13 6:26 AM

@sailing64: It's good to know you're on record in believing that equal rights for women was the beginning of the "moral decline." Pretty much what I always figured coming from your lot, but it's nice to have the clarification.

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firefight41Oct. 4, 13 7:32 AM

No, allowing same sex marriage is not lowering morals. ***************** It’s a loss of morals……. Same sex couples have always existed, the only question was a legal one - whether they would have the same right to marry as opposite sex couples. Do people really think that it is "less moral" for same sex couples to be married than for them to just live together. ****************** Does not matter if married or not as to the moral sense.

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firefight41Oct. 4, 13 7:37 AM

I have never been taught that a women was property, she is a human being that should have the same rights, and respect as her counterpart. To treat a woman as a lesser is degrading to this nation and any other nation that does that. Are there people that have an issue with Misogyny? Yes there are many and it does not come from just one political party or culture.

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ericgus55Oct. 4, 1310:39 AM

firefight - If you want to see examples of misogynistic law, I'd suggest reading Deuteronomy (or the whole Old Testament of the Bible). Ironically, it's also the same book which contains the rules against homosexuality so often cited in this debate (most New Testament references translate to "pederasty," rather than adult relationships, just to get ahead of the next point of contention). Anyways, as we all know deep down, this issue comes down to a personal moral beliefs that homosexuality is wrong, nothing more.

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