The House GOP's clueless shutdown crusade

  • Article by: Editorial Board , Star Tribune
  • Updated: October 1, 2013 - 6:31 PM

Shutdown won’t stop health care law but imperils economy.

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mgvetterOct. 1, 13 6:55 PM

Two things come to mind when I read this article. First that if the Federal government is the counties largest employer this country has gone the wrong way faster than I realized and second that I really don't see why everyone who wants one gets an exemption from Obamacare except for the average citizen. I do agree that the Republicans need to calm down, give Ried and Pelosi what they want, let the train wreck that Obamcare is play out over the next year, retake the senate in 2014 and deal with it then

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Mark27Oct. 1, 13 7:17 PM

There was a referendum on Obamacare last November and the Tea Party got crushed. They decisively lost the Presidential race, they lost seats in the Senate, and the lost the national popular vote in the House, hanging onto their House majority through abominable gerrymanders allowing Congresspersons to choose their own voters. Now Republicans are well within their rights to litigate Obamacare and the rest of their unpopular policy agenda again if they choose....in next fall's midterm elections. But they are light years away from having a mandate to do what they're doing right now and Obama and the Democratic Senate need to dig in their heels and not give an inch to the hostage-takers. This tyranny-of-the-minority government of the last three years needs to be stopped at any costs or the republic will never be governable again.

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theruntOct. 1, 13 7:34 PM

Tea Party members in Congress are relatively inexperienced at governing, which makes this most likely-fatal to their re-election blunder understandable. Harder to understand is their insensitivity to the ruinous economic effect their insolence will have on the economy.

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Mark27Oct. 1, 13 7:38 PM

mgvetter, "First that if the Federal government is the counties largest employer this country has gone the wrong way faster than I realized"....I'm not sure what the tipping point was when the federal government became the nation's biggest employer but I'm guessing it was 1933. It's hardly a new phenomenon. And I can assure you that the purchasing power of middle-class federal workers creates an economic multiplier effect that gives taxpayers a considerable return on their investment for paying their wages. You are right, in a bass-ackwards kind of way, about the country going the wrong way, when looking at who the second-largest employer in America is....Wal-Mart. If only our second-largest employer was a fraction of the contributor to America's economy as our largest....or at least a fraction less of a malignant cancer on it.

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endothermOct. 1, 13 7:39 PM

Imagine if the situation were reversed and Democrats shut down the entire government until a Republican Senate and a Republican President agreed to a new tax on millionaires and the creation of a new national park. I would actually support a new tax on millionaires, but I wouldn't support shutting down the government in order to force it through. Republicans are shutting down everything until their pet policies get passed. We can't reward this kind of reckless behavior. It needs to be stopped here and now.

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Guppy35Oct. 1, 13 7:47 PM

What is laughable is the Republicans keep harping about the Dems not negotiating. If I go to my neighbors house and threaten to burn it down unless they give me everything I want, it's not a negotiation, it's a threat. There is no basis for negotiating at that point. Instead it's if you don't derail the ACA, we'll burn the house down. There is no starting point for negotiating under those circumstances. I'm somewhat surprised they can't see that.

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ti1310Oct. 1, 13 8:06 PM

--- And I can assure you that the purchasing power of middle-class federal workers creates an economic multiplier effect that gives taxpayers a considerable return on their investment for paying their wages.---- No such animal, look up the deadweight loss of taxation and you will see that we lose not gain. the only way the government creates a multiplier effect into the economy is via deficit spending...

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swmnguyOct. 1, 13 8:09 PM

This isn't "clueless," and it isn't gamesmanship. This also isn't the real prize the Republicans seek. What they really want to do is force a government default next month. The savvy Republicans know what a catastrophe that would be, but in every collapse, there are those who make out like bandits. Those are the ones pulling the strings and setting the Republican agenda. "Disaster Capitalism" is coming to America, and the Republicans are looking to cause the crisis that collapses the system, allowing the elites who employ them to walk off with the spoils.

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Mark27Oct. 1, 13 8:21 PM

ti1310, "No such animal, look up the deadweight loss of taxation and you will see that we lose not gain. the only way the government creates a multiplier effect into the economy is via deficit spending"......You sound like a business owner, but even if you're not, we'll pretend you are for tonight. I promise you that your business makes more sales to employees of America's largest employer than to employees of America's second-largest employer, and that's the very definition of a multiplier effect. Furthermore, SNAP and other public assistance programs that more than half of Wal-Mart employees are on due to their poverty wages and nonexistent benefits are paid for by deficit spending just the same as government employees' wages.

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dave9398Oct. 1, 13 9:18 PM

Mark27 - " It's hardly a new phenomenon. And I can assure you that the purchasing power of middle-class federal workers creates an economic multiplier effect that gives taxpayers a considerable return on their investment for paying their wages." --- Please explain this multiplier effect and how much you perceive it to be.

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