Minnesota educators shouldn't reject state funds

  • Article by: Editorial Board , Star Tribune
  • Updated: September 22, 2013 - 11:09 PM

St. Paul teachers union should rethink Q Comp decision.

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lrnmthSep. 23, 13 5:40 AM

"... since the money can be used in flexible ways..." You've got to be kidding me! Having worked in a Q-Comp district for several years, and worked with other districts in trying to craft a plan that will be approved by MDE, I can say that this money comes with strings attached and very little flexibility. Maybe MDE (the state) takes a different view when it's Mpls or St. Paul.

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lrnmthSep. 23, 13 6:26 AM

For those who constantly ask, “How much money is needed?” I think there’s an answer. The teachers have presented a plan that the District says would cost $130 million over the next two years. Presumably, those are not one-time costs that fix the problems and the problems go away. What’s proposed is reducing class sizes, putting social workers where they’re most needed, increasing the number of badly needed school counselors, and other “wrap around” services. Teachers want what is best for kids. Is it unreasonable to ask the St Paul schools to provide these things without proper state and local funding to pay for them? Maybe. $9 million from Q-Comp won’t make a dent, but the public will cry out about another wasted $9 million. Until we, the people, wake up and connect all the dots about why some children aren’t performing up to standards we will continue in the wrong direction. Please, Star Trib and people of St Paul, take a look at what the teachers are proposing. Identify what’s “wrong” with their proposal, other than cost.

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bluedevil101Sep. 23, 13 7:02 AM

lrnmth is exactly correct. There are lots of strings and bureaucracy that go along with this. SPFT was correct in declining the option. There are much bigger issues to correct in St. Paul on all sides.

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EleanoreSep. 23, 13 8:36 AM

Good job St. Paul teachers. The farther away from the ignorance of Q-Comp you stay the better.

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elmore1Sep. 23, 1311:06 AM

I agree with the board on this. I would be interested in hearing what real teachers think about this instead of hearing the usual union line. We treat teachers like cattle today.

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ronniereaganSep. 23, 1311:33 AM

I personally do not know if Q-comp is a good plan or not. However- I do see this yet again anytime any sort of teacher accountability is raised- the union objects. My teacher friends tell me that test scores also should not be used to "judge" teachers. I say fine- then- as teachers you develop a fair method of evaluating teachers. They won't because they don't have to. Apparently teaching is the only profession that cannot be evaluated. Lastly- can we please dispel the notion that the teacher's union has anything to do with the students. Teacher's union right or wrong is only advocating for their members-not the students. Any suggestion otherwise is insulting.

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norselandcSep. 23, 1311:40 AM

Wow. The ignorance of editorial board regarding Q Comp (ATPPS) is palpable. For instance, the funding is not "flexible". All ATPPS money must go to teacher compensation. The board also presented none of the reasons why the teachers would reject ATPPS money. One of the weaker editorials lately...

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Seawaves AheadSep. 23, 1312:37 PM

I thought we raised taxes on those making more than $150,000 who have never paid their fair share so that there would be plenty of money to pay the teachers what they want. Certainly there should be an additional $130 million available to make sure St. Paul teachers are fairly paid. Furthermore, it it unwise and unreasonable to rate teachers on any type of performance scale.

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martytoilSep. 23, 13 1:34 PM

Is there any data anywhere that suggest that ATPPS funded schools perform any better or have improved more than non-ATPPS funded schools? If not, we need to eliminate the program and return that money to the general fund or the ADA per pupil fund.

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lostinstpaulSep. 23, 13 2:02 PM

Furthermore, it it unwise and unreasonable to rate teachers on any type of performance scale.@@@@ So, they can enjoy the ONLY occupation in America that has ZERO accountability? Why should they get a free pass, when they are 100% tax payer funded positions?? Performance should be #1 (just like it is in the real (non taxpayer funded) world)

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