On U.S. surveillance, how much lying is there?

  • Article by: Ruth Marcus , Washington Post
  • Updated: August 24, 2013 - 9:49 AM

And what we don’t know is just how much spying (and lying) is being done.

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smeeagain2Aug. 23, 13 7:02 PM

The court, Congress and the media are all complicit in perpetuating these Constitutional violations. We have been lied to since day 1 in every aspect of this domestic spying.

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alansonAug. 23, 13 8:17 PM

FISC is called a "court." It is like no other court in America. It's proceedings are secret. There is no adversarial process. Parties harmed by the NSA have no standing to sue in the court (or anywhere else). Its rulings cannot be appealed. Guess what. FISC is not a court. Please spare us the verbal gymnastics that pretend otherwise.

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jd55604Aug. 23, 13 9:25 PM

"Security demands secrecy."......That's exactly the mindset that got us to where we are today. Oligarchies, police states and authoritarian regimes certainly demand secrecy but our country was supposed to function much differently than that. Aside from a select few things like battle plans against a country our congress has officially declared war on; I don't believe our servants in government need to be keeping secrets from their masters (me and you).

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hawkeye56379Aug. 23, 1310:06 PM

alanson: I don't know where you get your information, but FISC opinions can be and have been appealed. It is a court with a panel of federal judges drawn from the various federal circuits and districts. Their proceedings are not public because they discuss classified information. You may not like the process, but it is a vast improvement over the pre-2006 era when the executive branch could conduct this same surveillanceon their own without having to get judicial approval.

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jd55604Aug. 23, 1310:57 PM

According to the Washington Post, "FISC approved each of the 1,789 eavesdropping requests it received from the government in 2012, except for one that was withdrawn." This is nothing but a Kangaroo court with rubber stamps posing as a constitutional safeguard.

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swmnguyAug. 24, 13 7:54 AM

How much lying is there? Based on what we've seen since the Snowden revelations (which weren't news to those of us who read foreign and non-corporate media), every single official statement so far has been a lie. Every single one. And every discredited lie has been backed up with another lie, just as quickly discredited.

One entire category of lie that has been so far unexamined is the use of private corporations to evade laws and the Constitution. Sure, the NSA isn't collecting domestic e-mails and recording calls and texts. Except when they are, of course. But the private communications companies are recording all of this stuff, and then giving it to the government whenever they are asked. And it's illegal for the companies to say anything about it. Pretty neat trick, huh? The Constitution and the other laws of our country only limit the government, not private corporations. So the government uses the corporations to do the dirty work, and claims clean hands.

It's about time to let the whole thing collapse, as our economic system is trying to do.

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borisbadenovAug. 24, 13 8:10 AM

Remember that is you have nothing to hide you should not care if the government is listening in to your phone calls, reading your mail, stopping you on the streets to search you, searching your home without a warrant, collecting information on you, looking at your financial records and recording your movements. Welcome to the Liberal version of Utopia.

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fatredneckAug. 24, 13 8:41 AM

@hawkeye56379, part of the "court" system set up by FISA is the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review (FISCR). FISC rulings can indeed be "appealed" to FISCR, but the only party that can appeal is the Federal government itself. And like the FISC, FISCR is secret, outside parties have no standing to sue if harmed by NSA, it lacks an adversarial process, and appeals of FISCR rulings to the Supreme Court can only be undertaken by the Federal government. I stand by the assertion that FISC, and FISCR, are not courts as Americans understand courts. The fact that they are called "courts" in the FISA is indicative of the level of Orwellian misdirection and deception being used by NSAs misguided defenders.

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