Souhan: Cris Carter's situation shows talent also needs timing

  • Article by: JIM SOUHAN , Star Tribune
  • Updated: August 7, 2013 - 1:02 PM

Cris Carter’s induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame and his emotional speech provided another visceral moment for Vikings fans to celebrate.

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t_stevensAug. 6, 13 9:56 PM

Great article, and so true. Top-tier talent drives success in the NFL, no doubt. But near impossible to win a SB without a top-tier QB. History will vouch for that fact. Do we have such a QB on this team? Possibly, yes. But his name IS NOT Christian Ponder. I hope our up and coming coaching staff has the spine to do what everybody knows needs to be done: make Ponder the backup and promote the BETTER QB right away, Matt Cassel. A SB trip in 2014 becomes a possibility with Cassel leading this team. IMPOSSIBLE with Ponder. End of rant.

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northhiAug. 6, 1311:03 PM

Sorry T_Stevens, have to disagree. Let's give ponder one more year. He didn't have much to throw too last season. Yes, it's time for the coaching staff and players to put up. I've watching the Vikes since 61. My time better be here as well.

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gadflyAug. 6, 1311:25 PM

Flacco is not in the top quarter of QBs (his passer rating was 12th last year, and only once has been in the top 10), Roethlisberger wasn’t in 2008, when the Steelers beat the Cards in the Super Bowl, Manning wasn’t in 2007, when the Giants beat the Patriots, and Brady wasn't in any of the three seasons that the Patriots won it all.

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joshopsahlAug. 6, 1311:56 PM

If gadfly's numbers are accurate, he may be on to something. P.S. - Eli Manning is a crappy QB, regardless of his SB rings.

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gadflyAug. 7, 1312:09 AM

I see my comment has already gotten two thumbs down, but my point is valid. Flacco has been nothing special for five years, but he got hot in the playoffs. Both Manning in 2007 and Roethlisberger in 2008 threw nearly as many INTs (20 and 15, respectively) as TDs (23 and 17), and their passer ratings were worse than Ponder's was last year (Manning, 73.9; Roethlisberger 80.1; Ponder 81.2). As for Brady, he didn't start putting up what everyone now considers "Tom-Brady-like" numbers until 2007 (his first season with Moss, which is no coincidence); before then (when he won Super Bowls), he was only a little better than average.

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hiraddrifterAug. 7, 1312:42 AM

Think of the career Carter could have had... if the Vikings would have had consistency at quarterback. He caught passes from Moon, Cunningham, Culpepper, Johnson, George and more. Can you imagine if he had teamed with a Manning or Farve year after year?

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gadflyAug. 7, 13 1:30 AM

hiraddrifter... Personally, I think that if Carter and Moss had played as long and with the same QBs as Rice, Carter would have the reception record, and Moss would be #1 in TDs. Unfortunately, their character issues got in the way.

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duckman1958Aug. 7, 1312:09 PM

Cannot stand Chris Carter after seeing him park in a handicap spot in Home Depot in Brooklyn Park and strut into the store with his wife. He then proceeded to bark orders to the staff members there and actually said "Do you know who I am?" Major jerk!

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bredpathAug. 7, 13 1:01 PM

gadfly - those QB's were at least top 10 when they won it all. They may not have been the best overall QB in the NFL at the time, but nobody would say they weren't all above average. And don't even bring up the "Dilfer and the Ravens" argument because that was an all-time great defense. You may not need an "elite" QB to win a super bowl, but you definitely need more than what we've seen from Ponder - "average at best".

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edkroetenAug. 7, 13 6:08 PM

Mcmahon, Simms, Rypien and the like all won SBs they were not great QBs. Good yes, but great no, so if Ponder grows into his potential he could; providing the Vikings stay healthy and continue to add talent, certainly win a SB.

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