NSA scandal: National security vs. individual privacy

  • Article by: Editorial Board , Star Tribune
  • Updated: June 10, 2013 - 7:09 PM

9/11-era framework needs revisiting, with more citizen input.

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drichmnJun. 10, 13 9:14 PM

in 2001 there were no boundaries as we found out about the wiretapping without a warrant. The outcry about that lead to going back to using the FISA court process that was established in 1978 and informing Congress. Are we now at the point of wanting to roll back the Patriot Act and Protect America Act? In the last year when Wyden and Udall introduced amendments they were voted down and crickets were heard. Or is this just the latest attempt at partisan sniping? Remains to be seen.

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jarlmnJun. 10, 1310:02 PM

We sit and bicker like little playground kids over who started it, Bush/Obama. Or, we say if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. Or, we say that the NSA will merely use the information to protect us from terrorists ... like the IRS merely collects taxes. Whata bunch of sheep we've become. The Founding Fathers are probably twirling in their graves.

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foneboothJun. 10, 1310:11 PM

I'm curious, could someone who thinks Snowden did a great thing answer a question? Why do you mind if the government collects this information, but you do not care that google does, or apple, or verizon?

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foneboothJun. 10, 1310:13 PM

and oh yeah, you gotta come up with more than, guv'ment bad, biznez goood...", I am asking a serious question, I would really like to know because I don't get it...

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goferfanzJun. 10, 1310:17 PM

""" we found out about the wiretapping without a warrant""".........Of course, we get one of the Prez's usual defenders pretending electronic surveillance is "wiretapping." Of course, it is not......... anymore than the F in FISA stands for "domestic." This President's DOMESTIC reach likely exceeds W's by billions of intrusions simply thru technology advances. I am not even saying it is a bad thing because I dont get briefed like a Sen Franken, but it is amazing to see the continual parsing of the actions of President Bush vs President Obama. As the saying goes, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss...." Even this editorial gives a tiny nod at its end---> to the notion that both Presidents face(d) very difficult security decisions. Yes, it is amusing to see the same libs who screamed scandal during W's tenure, now suggest scandal not be used for President Obama ;oD Oh, how reality changes idealism!

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tonyyarussoJun. 11, 13 3:01 AM

fonebooth, I wouldn't say that I don't care about private businesses collecting information, but I will say that you have a choice about whether to agree to their terms of service and use their services. For those cases, it's a contractual agreement that you freely make, and can easily avoid. You don't get that same choice with government, so that's a significant difference. There's no "informed and freely given consent" for these government programs. Yes, we vote for the Congresscritters that approve them, but that's still not quite the same level of agreement.

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goldengoph3rJun. 11, 13 7:19 AM

Blanket data collection of any kind by the government on US citizens is unconstitutional and should be halted, full stop. Simply, there has to be a reason for authorities to gather the data. When data is collect from everyone, that's not reasonable, unless the government is stating that it's reasonable to assume we're all terror suspects. I find Obama's embrace of the NSA Prism program much worse than Bush's anti-American domestic spying programs, basically because I expected it from Bush. Obama actually campaigned on reviewing and rolling back these unconstitutional programs. The President says he 'welcomes the debate', but the only reason we're having the debate is because someone blew the whistle. Incredibly disappointed in the President's response.

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capsule2Jun. 11, 13 7:21 AM

Why do you mind if the government collects this information, but you do not care that google does, or apple, or verizon? - You do know that Google, Apple, Verizon and all the other large corporations ARE THE GOVT. don't you? The supreme court just put the rubber stamp on this fact with citizens united. WE are in deep squat my friend.

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jimjimjimjimJun. 11, 13 8:09 AM

"Why do you mind if the government collects this information, but you do not care that google does, or apple, or verizon?"

Many of us still believe in the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution. That people cannot understand the difference between government and businesses collecting information and why they do it is very frightening.

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rampalincJun. 11, 13 9:00 AM

In my opinion this guy is a hero. All news channels are focused on where did he work, what degree did he have, how much he made... these are all distractions from the fundamental point of his sacrifice - is this the kind of govt we want, because it sure doesn't have the look and feel that it's for the people.

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