Vouchers are not best bet for Minnesota schools

  • Article by: TOM DOOHER
  • Updated: February 7, 2013 - 7:25 PM

Minnesota doesn't need an expensive private-school choice program that benefits relatively few.

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jdlellis1Feb. 7, 13 8:54 PM

When speaking with zealots for public schools which are failing, and oppose alternatives which include vouchers, a typical response is, They, especially private schools, do not have to deal with the same issues (pick your choice of an issue). What those same zealots don't acknowledge is the lack of accountability expected by alternative schools where accountability begins with the parent(s). There are many successful public schools, especially in Minnesota. Conversely, there are a growing number of public schools which are faltering, refuse to change and fight alternatives. Consider this, "If you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what you're getting.

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jjsbrwFeb. 7, 13 9:27 PM

As a public school teacher, I have to say I am not completely sold on Dooher's argument. There are a lot of underperforming kids in a lot of public schools. There are a lot of kids in those schools who lack the social skills to succeed. Their lack of academic and social skills lead to all sorts of problems, up to and including violent behaviors. At the very least, can't we agree that these students who are not succeeding in the public schools deserve a chance to turn it around and perhaps succeed at one of our top private schools?

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martytoilFeb. 8, 13 8:54 AM

jdlellis1--"If you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what you're getting."--You mean scores that are top 5 in the country on the ACT's, SAT's, and NAEP's. If you like success, then lets keep doing what we are doing. Would Alabama football change what it is doing so that it could look more like Minnesota football?

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phatcatpatFeb. 8, 1310:33 AM

Those who feed off the government never believe that choice is a good thing.

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phatcatpatFeb. 8, 1310:35 AM

"You mean scores that are top 5 in the country on the ACT's, SAT's, and NAEP's." You must not know that all students do not take these tests and certainly not the 50% in the MSP schools that drop out.

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phatcatpatFeb. 8, 1310:43 AM

Our health care costs were greater than every other industrialized nation and had about the worst outcomes. Liberals demanded reform.

We have the most expensive education system in the world and produce some of the worst outcomes and liberals not only refuse to demand reform they want more money for this failed experiment.

If anyone wants to argue that our education system by factors that are not within the schools control we provided the same arguments about the health care system and you ignored those truths. Demand reform now!

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braedonFeb. 8, 1311:02 AM

The lastest TIMMS results, the test that compares countries in science and math, shows that Minnesota ranks in the top 6 in the world in 8th grade math and science. Enough with the: 'Minnesota public schools are failures' lie. The 4-5 countries with higher scores have low to no poverty and/or only educate a select few of their children.

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bluebird227Feb. 8, 1311:16 AM

phatcat--interesting that you compare health care to education. I would argue that in both cases, personal and family responsibility determines the best possible outcome. You need to live a healthy life and put some effort into your education. Granted, sometimes you are born with health issues and learning disabilities that require more care, but success starts with the individual. If you don't put forth the effort, doctors can't save you and teachers can't educate you.

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phatcatpatFeb. 8, 1311:21 AM

"The lastest TIMMS results..." TIMMS compared 20,000 USA students from 4th and 8th grade to other nations. It does not compare high school test scores and certainly does not look at the 50% drop out rate of the Minneapolis schools. What do you suppose the test scores from all the drop outs would look like? But, keep telling us how great a job our schools do!

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phatcatpatFeb. 8, 1311:25 AM

bluebird227 - Liberals were very quick to dismiss many factors that influence health care outcomes that the health care system has no control over: Obesity, drug and alcohol use, low birth weight babies, pre-teen and early teen pregnancy, poor dietary habits, a diverse culture, poverty and so on.

Some of those factors influence our education systems outcomes. The problem is, liberals ignored it when demanding health care reform and now use it as an excuse when defending the current education system. And you don't see the hypocrisy?

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