Debt ceiling -- a new course for House GOP?

  • Article by: EDITORIAL , Los Angeles Times
  • Updated: January 22, 2013 - 6:52 PM

Leaders appear to have persuaded their members to support a bill that would effectively waive the debt limit until May 19.

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cstoney48Jan. 22, 13 7:18 PM

When the House produces a real balanced budget and/or outlines the specific budget cuts and program changes that would produce one, then the rest of us will listen. Until then--the debt ceiling debate is a ruse and the doom sayers are "as sounding brass"...just endless noise without substance.

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edhenry12Jan. 22, 13 7:39 PM

As part of the debt deal the house agreed to raise the debt limit but the Senate is going to have to produce a budget, which means red state democrats will be have to have to vote and be on record going into 2014 elections. This is starting to look better for republicans.

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gandalf48Jan. 23, 13 8:47 AM

I like the House requirement for the Senate to pass a budget of their own or not get paid. The House has passed budgets every year but Senate has not even made an attempt to pass a budget since Obama was elected...I'm guessing they don't want to vote on tax increases. This sounds like a great compromise, increase the debt limit by a few months, force the Senate to pass a budget or not get paid and begin the discussion on tax and entitlement reform.

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cstoney48Jan. 23, 13 9:15 AM

gandalf48 said: "I'm guessing they (the Senate) don't want to vote on tax increases." Gee, you must be advocating abolishing or significantly restricting Senate Rule 22 which would then allow the majority in the Senate to actually govern. The majority could then pass budgets, confirm/reject appointments and do the business of America. However, I suspect that will happen about the same time the House Republicans actually present their plans to liquidate Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security--which is their real goal in this legislative game of smoke and mirrors.

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gandalf48Jan. 23, 13 9:33 AM

cstoney48 - [Gee, you must be advocating abolishing or significantly restricting Senate Rule 22 which would then allow the majority in the Senate to actually govern. The majority could then pass budgets, confirm/reject appointments and do the business of America. However, I suspect that will happen about the same time the House Republicans actually present their plans to liquidate Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security--which is their real goal in this legislative game of smoke and mirrors.] *** Perhaps you didn't realize this but budgets can bypass the filibuster rule...remember how Obamacare was passed? "under Congress' budget procedure, a budget resolution cannot be filibustered and thus only needs a simple majority vote - typically 51 votes - to pass." There you go, no excuses...you only need 51 votes to pass a budget and everyone would get a chance to vote on that budget. Any more excuses you have for the Senate?

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gandalf48Jan. 23, 13 9:50 AM

cstoney48 - [However, I suspect that will happen about the same time the House Republicans actually present their plans to liquidate Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security--which is their real goal in this legislative game of smoke and mirrors.] *** You can demonize the Republican ideas all you want but doing nothing would lead to the bankruptcy of Medicare by 2024, and SS by 2036. I give the Republicans credit, they get attacked but they still put forth ideas that will keep those programs solvent for 75 years...the Democrats criticize these ideas and offer very little (at least in negotiations) in changes to the programs. I will assume Dems want the programs go bankrupt until I see formal proposals (especially from Obama) to keep them solvent with major tax increases.

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cstoney48Jan. 23, 1310:03 AM

gandalf48 claims: "a budget resolution cannot be filibustered.." Sorry gandalf--you're only a little bit right. It is true that the Senate can pass a budget resolution with a simple majority vote. But for that budget resolution to take effect, it must have either the cooperation of the house (And you know how cooperative the House Republicans have been to Reid and his Democratic majority in the Senate), or at least 60 votes in the Senate. But there are no special procedures for the simple Senate Resolution required by this second, “deeming” process, so it is subject to the unlimited debate allowed on almost everything in the Senate. If you do not have the support of 60 Senators to invoke cloture and end a filibuster, or prevent a filibuster from even starting (because everyone knows 60 Senators support cloture), you cannot pass such a deeming resolution in the Senate. Try learning the whole story next time.

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cstoney48Jan. 23, 1310:17 AM

gandalf48 claims: "(to) the Republicans credit, they get attacked but they still put forth ideas" Ryan couldn't even get his fellow House Republicans to endorse or promote his budget proposal which by any objective count didn't balance anything. Kicking the can by once again. Why should the Dems offer anything?--you are the ones claiming impending doom. Where are the specific proposals? What ideas? Vouchers for all? Is that it? As the saying goes,you can't beat something with nothing--and so far the GOP has offered just about nothing--except rhetoric and warnings of catastrophe. Where’s the beef?

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gandalf48Jan. 23, 1310:24 AM

cstoney48 - [ Sorry gandalf--you're only a little bit right. It is true that the Senate can pass a budget resolution with a simple majority vote. But for that budget resolution to take effect, it must have either the cooperation of the house (And you know how cooperative the House Republicans have been to Reid and his Democratic majority in the Senate), or at least 60 votes in the Senate.] *** That's how budget have always worked! The whole point is to get the Senate to pass a budget and then the negotiations begin with the House in a Senate-House Budget Committee. That's why the House wants the Senate to pass a budget, you can't start a negotiation if each side doesn't declare what kind of budget they want. It only takes 51 votes to agree to a budget when they compromise and create one between the House and Senate, it's just sad to see people defend the Senate's inaction for 4 years.

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cstoney48Jan. 23, 1311:06 AM

gandalf48 claims: "It only takes 51 votes to agree to a budget when they compromise and create one between the House and Senate..." First--you got the rules wrong--filibusters count. Second--the House has not cooperated with Reid and Mitch's minions filibuster or threaten to filibuster just about everything. Remember this is the guy who filibustered his own proposal (called the Braxton Bragg gambit). Meanwhile, the GOP House definition of compromise has been demanding surrender--if they even have a single position upon which they agree. Boehner can't control his cats--they are all over the pasture. That's what happened to Ryan's budget and the "Grand Bargain" that wasn't. Compromise on these terms just isn't going to happen. I think you forgot who won the election. You want drastic budget cuts--list the programs and spending reductions. And quit crying foul and being sad when the Dems won't do your dirty work for you.

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