Morris era intersects steroids era in latest vote

  • Article by: DENNIS BRACKIN , Star Tribune
  • Updated: December 16, 2012 - 7:22 AM

In his 14th year of eligibility, the St. Paul native shares a Hall of Fame ballot with names like Bonds, Clemens and Sosa.

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hiraddrifterDec. 15, 12 5:30 PM

Morris was the third starter on the 91 Twins. He had a god career, but Kaat should be in before Morris is even considered.

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dszymborskiDec. 15, 12 5:42 PM

You know a pitcher's Hall of Fame case is exceedingly weak when the case requires entirely ignoring how good the pitcher was at preventing the other team from scoring runs. And Jack, if you choose a bride based on whether she's hot, don't be surprised when your quickie Vegas chapel hitchup ends in 3 months.

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truthtimeDec. 15, 12 5:57 PM

Don't give me this "he shouldn't be in unless Kaat is in," baloney. Judge him on how his peers respected (and hitters feared) him while he was on the mound. And don't give me the "he was the starter on the '91 Twins," baloney either. Were you in diapers then? There would not have been a World Series without Black Jack leading that staff and setting the bulldog tone for Tapani and Erickson.

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lindy_frank123Dec. 15, 12 6:05 PM

Jim Kaat should be in before Morris, his take on cheaters...is kindof hollow....Ruth, Cobb even Gaylord Perry cheated to get an edge...guess their numbers were "inhanced" too? look just put them in on the numbers I don't care how they got them or there.

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Dantes929Dec. 15, 12 6:09 PM

"There would not have been a World Series without Black Jack leading that staff and setting the bulldog tone for Tapani and Erickson" and there would not have been a world series without Tapani and Erickson actually getting hitters out at a better rate than Morris and winning 36 games. I am not really opposed to Morris getting in but he is not the best pitcher to not get in.

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lindy_frank123Dec. 15, 12 6:25 PM

How in the World does a guy like Don Sutton get in ahead Bert, Jack or Jim Kaat? How?

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bolock54Dec. 15, 12 7:42 PM

Makes one really wonder HOW each player is actually voted in.......some in that probably shouldn't be and vice versa....Glad I don't have have to worry about voting on any of this.....Where is the line actually drawn on any of this??

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Dantes929Dec. 15, 1210:16 PM

lindy, i thought the same thing and went to baseball reference to prove it but got a big surprise. Sutton was close to the same era and in fact while Morris has a strong arguement that he was the best pitcher of the 80s even though not the best pitcher in any one year Sutton can probably make the same claim for a two decade period. Look at their stats. Sutton was better for longer.

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Dantes929Dec. 15, 1210:19 PM

When I said close to the same era I meant span of time. They were not that close in ERA with Sutton at .326 and Morris with 3.9 and of course Sutton won about 100 more games.

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BallFourDec. 16, 12 1:11 AM

WINNIE: "When players dominate a decade and come up a little bit short on career numbers, those guys are still Hall of Fame players." BALLFOUR: Dominating a decade doesn't make you great - it's in large part dictated on when you were born. If you dominate from 1983-92 isn't it the same as 1980-89, for example? They're both 10-year periods, the difference is the former isn't the start of a decade. This "best player of the decade" stuff is, in essence, arbitrary and beyond anyone's power to dictate.

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