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John: You've lost the PR war here. The nation has bought into Obama's "fairness" argument. Further, Americans don't believe they've felt any pain in regard to the national debt and fiscal deficit. Until there are undeniable effects on Americans there's nothing to argue about because until then it's all theory. I'd say vote yes on the tax increases, adjourn and move into 2013. The President doens't desire to slow spending. It's going to continue until there is real pain felt. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.
Hopefully nothing is done about the so-called fiscal cliff, because it does what it should do, raise taxes to that under Clinton and cut Gov't spending especially the military.
These two are jostling over small potatoes. $4T over 10 years on reducing the deficit, not the debt. That's $400B each year on a yearly deficit of $1T+ per year. That still gives over $600B every year of new added debt. When are they going to get serious, especially our so called president?
Don't budge and see what happens Boehner! America will throw the GOP over the cliff in the next elections so you just might be doing us a favor!
The pland that Boehner and the Republicans offered was woefully short on details. They want to raise the Medicare elibility age, but won't say when or how much. They want to eliminate deductions and loopholes, but won't say which ones. To me, the Republican's inability to flesh out their plans shows they are not bargaining in good faith. Republicans, it's time to man up and tell us all exactly what you propose to do.
Just what has the President come up with other than 'tax the rich', more stimulus & give him the freedom to raise the debt ceiling without any input from congress. Now that's a plan, spend by charging & take money from the rich that will do absolutely nothing to reduce the debt or run the country. Give me a break, the president, Harry, Nancy & the democratic party is a joke. All I can hope is that there is still something for me when the country has gone broke. Where do I sign up
The pland that Boehner and the Republicans offered was woefully short on details. They want to raise the Medicare elibility age, but won't say when or how much. They want to eliminate deductions and loopholes, but won't say which ones. To me, the Republican's inability to flesh out their plans shows they are not bargaining in good faith. Republicans, it's time to man up and tell us all exactly what you propose to do.-----------------How about they do that immediately after the Democrats do the exact same thing?
natref-------Actually, they are talking about cutting 200 billion from our 1.3 TRILLOIN dollar debt and Obama wants to spend even MORE which would raise the debt further. This is ridiculous. I use to worry when the debt was 200 Billion a year. Now, that is NOTHING, compared to what the gov't has wrung up! The best thing that could happen to this country is the fiscal cliff. If raises revenue and cuts spending. Fair and balanced, just what everyone wants!
Who was that VP candidate? Oh ya, Paul Ryan has already shown citizens elements of the new GOP up and comers platform planks. End Medicare, end Medicaid, end Social Security and give the wealthy continued tax windfall. This was very clear until Mitt Romney took him in and professed Romney's plan is the one. If Obama prefers a slow walk off the cliff, the Ryan GOP plan is a record setting marathon run to austerity for seniors, disabled, retirees, and students.
John: You've lost the PR war here. The nation has bought into Obama's "fairness" argumen-------------Obama has NO Fairness argument. The only argument he has is Vote buying by giving away everything he can! Lets let the highest taxed group pay for that. Oh, wait, there isn't enough money even if those evil rich people give 100% of their income to taxes. Now what???
That will be the ultimate question that is asked when the gov't can no longer provide everything for everyone! NOW WHAT!
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