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Musicians need full access to the books before making a counteroffer.
Explain to me again why on earth musicians would even need to be unionized? They're not going to get sucked into a wood chipper. You'd think they'd prefer to each be judged on the merits of their owns individual abilities instead of the lowest common denominator of the group.
The Orchestra management seems to think that they can wait this out. No. We need our Orchestra. The Orchestra IS the combination of the musicians and conductor, supposedly aided by management to bring excellent classical music to Minnesota.
Why is the management an impediment? Why do they think that the musicians are an unnecessary part of the Orchestra equation?
sw6906, do you have any idea what the 'lowest common denominator' of the MN Orchestra would be? Someone who has put in 10-20,000 hours in practice on their own instrument, unpaid, before being good enough to play in the orchestra. The actions of the management (pretending that Minnesota can have an orchestra by renovating the concert space but cutting the pay of musicians who are the envy of many national orchestras) make it obvious why there is a musicians' union. Do you even listen to the orchestra?
I support the musicians.
sw6906 if you have been following this story and still don't understand why it is essential that the musicians have a union, it is a waste of everyone's time to try to enlighten you. And I'm sure you don't have a clue how many musicians have been treated for hand injuries at the Sister Kenny Hand clinic.
The orchestra is one of the very few things the state has that is absolutely great, among the best in the world. As a patron, not being able to go to concerts is disheartening. As a taxpayer, I can't quite figure out why the board is getting away with lying to the legislature in order to get money- a lot of money- for a "renovation" that Orchestra Hall doesn't need (except for the women's bathrooms-which have 2-3 stalls) especially if there is no orchestra. And how are the musicians supposed to make a counteroffer without knowing the real financial situation?
sw6906Nov. 28, 12 9:23 PM
Explain to me again why on earth musicians would even need to be unionized? They're not going to get sucked into a wood chipper. You'd think they'd prefer to each be judged on the merits of their owns individual abilities instead of the lowest common denominator of the group.**********************Ya you bet they make less money being in the union because they are judged by the lowest common denominator. This comment and the board want to lower their wages in half.Something is missing as far as logic is concerned..
Nice to see the musicians acting like spoiled bratty teenagers that when they can't get their way or don't want to listen or believe the facts, toss a tantrum.
So what exactly do you think management is trying to do...what do you think a volunteer board of donors is looking to gain?
Demand for products change, businesses ebb and flow. Deal with it like adults, all the numbers are public, they gave you meeting minutes. But to resort to cheap stunts, along with unfounded calls pushing some weird conspiracy makes the musicians look like a bunch ungrateful greedy teenagers.
If you don't like the offer, make a counter offer or find another job...or even better maybe you can insult the large donors enough they will take their money and go home...remember you can't milk a dead cow.
Time to get better advice or ask an adult for help.
Opening the books is just a negotiating tactic that will take time and money and the end result will be a search for a nugget to support higher wages which isn't going to happen. Try a counteroffer and get on with it.
OK musicians, I understand how you feel about having to give back the 25% raise you got in your last contract and a bit more. Now, just let me know on what tree the money to continue things the way they are grows.
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