Twins must get better defense along with improved pitching

  • Article by: JOE CHRISTENSEN , Star Tribune
  • Updated: November 9, 2012 - 12:06 PM

As the Twins begin the work to fix one of baseball's worst starting pitching staffs at this week's general managers meetings, it's worth looking at what they're doing to shore up their defense.

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callsaulNov. 9, 1211:40 AM

Teams need to be strong defensively up the middle! The other positions are where you can play marginal defenders IF they produce big with the bat. Catcher, SS, 2B, and CF are the spots the Twins need to be strong defensively. Right now I'd say they're suspect at all those spots except CF. 2B is going to be weaker if Carroll replaces Casilla as the starter. SS should be better with Florimon then it was with Dozier but that is still to be seen. I don't think the Twins can just count on Florimon to be the guy. Mauer is not an above average defensive catcher anymore. I wish the Twins could find a way to remove the albatross.

lars2437Nov. 9, 1212:11 PM

hard to get excited when we are talking about watching more of these glorified triple A players the Twins seem to rely on such as....Florimon, Plouffe, Carroll, Butera, Mastronni, Deduno, DeVries, Walters ect. We only get to put 25 ballplayers on the active roster, surely Mr. Ryan you can do better than going with this group again that helped you lose nearly two hundred games in two years. Fix the scouting department!

bobo72Nov. 9, 12 1:13 PM

@BallFour You said an awful lot in response to my comment, yet you failed to refute it in the least. Again, defense does NOT win championships in baseball. Most of the times it's pitching (SF, Philly, etc.), other times it's a line-up of bashers (see Yankees, Cardinals, etc.). But defense doesn't win championships. If it did, the Twins would have six or seven World Series titles from 1997 through 2009.

need4speed99Nov. 9, 12 2:49 PM

some guys have got it; defense is a cheap and relatively easy fix in baseball... starting pitching is EXPENSIVE. but lets not kid ourselves guys, until gardy goes and we find an owner willing to pony up its not gonna happen. even when gardy was making the playoffs with his great defensive teams he couldnt beat the yankees and all their power who honestly doesnt think gardy is a huge part of our problem???

BallFourNov. 9, 12 3:18 PM

@BallFour You said an awful lot in response to my comment, yet you failed to refute it BALLFOUR: You failed to prove it. Get to work.

cavellNov. 9, 12 4:13 PM

I'll say it again. The coach needs to tell the pitchers to pitch better.

need4speed99Nov. 9, 12 5:12 PM

ballfour; i think bobo did i pretty good job using examples and teams to prove his point... not saying defense doesnt make a big impact and overall help you (dont know if there has ever been a team thats won the series with the worst defense in either league) but in this day and age pitching is winning games. not one team in the playoffs had below average pitching and teams such as the dodgers with a whole mess of all stars pitching wasnt as good as expected down the stretch and they failed to make the playoffs while bubble teams such as san fran with great pitching were able to get in.

need4speed99Nov. 9, 12 5:14 PM

sorry for my run on which made my point unclear. dodgers had a ton of talent in the field BUT their pitching staff down the stretch wasnt able to hold it together and they lost. you can have the best defense ever assembled and while they will save alot of runs if you have a crappy pitcher on the mound your still gonna loose alot of games... dont know any outfielder that can catch a 420 ft homer...

BallFourNov. 9, 12 6:26 PM

need4speed99: i think bobo did i pretty good job using examples and teams to prove his point... BALLFOUR: Tell me how. He chose to use fielding percentage to make his point, and no knowledgeable observer of the game believes that is a stat with merit anymore. So he didn't make a point there. I showed him that with defensive efficiency that the Giants were actually better than he thinks. So he didn't make a point there. Then he used this flawed fielding percentage stat to cherry-pick the 2010 and 2012 Giants. I blunted that by cherry-picking the '87 and '91 Twins. Cherry-picking a couple of examples doesn't prove any point. So explain to me how he has made a point?

Dantes929Nov. 9, 1211:46 PM

Giants played very good defense in the world series. If they kicked the ball around who knows what the results would be. Puckett doesn't make the great catch do the Twins win the WS in 91? Do Orioles win without Brooks Robinson. When Delmon Young doesn't get to a ball with guys on and two outs and then the next few guys get base hits they are all earned runs but they all could have been prevented with good defense. San Fran got in by the smallest of margins in 2010. One error in the wrong spot or one hit prevented by the D could have left them on the outside looking in regardless of how good their pitching was.


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