New airport flight patterns shift noise

  • Article by: PAT DOYLE , Star Tribune
  • Updated: November 4, 2012 - 3:52 PM

Skeptics seek more time to study the effect of a proposed new system at MSP airport that would concentrate takeoff corridors.

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liberaleliteNov. 3, 1210:13 PM

Time to look into the legitimacy of the DNL maps... base them on measurements instead of algorithms... then airlines and the FAA will change their tune. They don't want to acknowledge that they are choosing not to operate in the same manner as when they agreed to mitigation, instead increasing impacts to unmitigated properties. It's like if a local hog farm decided to dump silage in your backyard instead of the backyard a mile away... or the highway for trucks a mile away was closed and the official detour was down your formerly-quiet residential street... that's what this is.

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raleighmamaNov. 3, 1211:58 PM

Planes never used to fly over our home. Now we wake up every almost every morning from jets taking off from MSP. Jets that used to fly over Lake Harriet now go more SW between West 50th and 60th street, in addition to still going over Lake Harriet. Thought we elected Rybak to solve the noise problem, not make it worse.

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treddleNov. 4, 1212:27 AM

The simple fact is damage to your hearing begins at 70 db. That is roughly how loud a SUV is traveling 30 - 35 mph on a city street when standing thirty feet away. Your hearing does repair itself to a point. But repeated exposure to 70 db and over results in permanent hearing loss. I have measured airliners in my backyard at 104 db. The average airliner runs between 85 - 95 db depending on how high it is when it goes over my place. Let's not even start to talk about the psychological effect and loss of quality of life that noise is proven to have. I am north of Lake Hiawatha by about a mile. They have increased the air traffic by 20% without tell us. And here I am hoping they switch that traffic to someone elses neighborhood. If they are not going to move the airport, then they should have the common human decency to move the people. Create a permanent lane for your airplanes. Buy out the homes at fair market value and tear them down.

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olson123456Nov. 4, 12 3:15 AM

If you live near an airport, you are going to have aircraft noise. I'm sorry, but you chose to purchase homes near there. What did you expect?

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jbhall56Nov. 4, 12 6:38 AM

Don't worry about the noise, worry about how long Delta will still see MSP as a hub. I'm betting that in three to five years, MSP will be facing what Saint Louis, Kansas City and other former hubs face, lots and lots of empty gates. There are signs already that Delta is making this happen, but the MAC and other civic leaders refuse to acknowledge it. Delta is very slowly and quietly rerouting traffic. Go to Europe or Asia and you'll see number of direct flights out of MSP are down to one a day on old aircraft, if they even exist any more. If you want flexibility and new aircraft, you have to go through Atlanta, Detroit, Seattle, Portland or Los Angeles. People point to the renovation of the G concourse as Delta's commitment to MSP. However, I would remind you that Delta occupies a lot more than just the G concourse and could easily fit their operations into G if MSP was no longer a hub. Think about it.

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myname70Nov. 4, 12 7:22 AM

In 2008 I lived in Old Town Scottsdale, AZ, maybe 10 mins from PHX airport. Plane noise was not a problem, ever. I visit family in Deephaven, and some near Minnekhada Club. Both have plane noise. It is a big puzzle to me why MSP noise is so widespread.

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tiddleNov. 4, 12 7:25 AM

The airport was built in the 1950's. Unless you built or bought your home prior to that, you don't have much of a case. There are pros and cons to city life, suburban life, and rural life. I wouldn't move to a farm and then complain abouth the smell of manure. I don't thik they'll be moving the airport anytime soon.

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mhrichardson99Nov. 4, 12 7:38 AM

Would including a map of the affected areas be so difficult?

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amfaNov. 4, 12 7:53 AM

It makes no sense to move a flight path away from well-established routes and channel the noise to another part of the community that saw no noise whatsoever. It's time to rally the neighbors and get an attorney.

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tiddleNov. 4, 12 7:57 AM

A map of the affected area is a circle around the airport. 15 miles or so?

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