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New light-rail cars spare weight to conserve energy.
What would it cost to have purchased the regular, heavier cars?
What would it cost to pull the regular, heavier cars around for 30 years? And replace the bearings more often? And the tracks more often? We love to build but not maintain.
There really isn't such a thing as "the regular, heavier cars" - light rail cars are made to order per the specs of the ordering body. Bombardier has changed up their products since our Type I Flexity Swifts were made, and their bid for our Type II cars was more expensive than the Siemens bid. The Siemens bid for Minneapolis was much cheaper than their bid for similar cars to other cities, both because this would be a new market for them and a win from their competitor, and because our order was quite large, at 41 cars with options for another 58 (and so far we've exercised 18 of those options). Other cities have paid $3.8m or more for cars that are functionally identical to ours; the price was quite good.
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They spent $194.7 MILLION on new rail cars. As others have pointed out, what were the cost of other options? For the sake of argument, lets assume they cost 15% more than the 'standard' option--that's a $29Million difference, $491,525 per car. Say the cars last 15 years, that is $32,768 per year, per car. I have a hard time believing that there is not enough savings in energy, maintanance, and other areas to cover that difference. This the problem we run into when the govt. spends money, they only ever see one side of the equation.
I like the Green line, but the Blue line should be the Gold line.
Coming soon....even more congestion due to a train running down the middle of a very, very busy street. Thank you central corridor for causing the same headaches as the Hiawatha, but at least you will be slightly more energy efficient. These projects cost massive amounts of money, do not relieve congestion, do not have the ridership to back up the cost....so what is the point? Does it make people feel good to say we have a set of trains running around? Why are buses not given more priority? Buses are more efficent and analysis has proven that.
Help me with the math here. The Hiawatha runs 9 trains to provide service every ten minutes. Even at 3 cars per train, that's just 27 cars peak. (Since service bogs down during Vikings/Twins events, you actually need fewer cars if anything.) Central Corridor is about the same length and service levels. And yet it will take 47 cars to run it? Just how much scheduled maintenance and cleaning do these cars need?
The same rail cars as used on the Hiawatha line are no longer being made. Metro Transit ordered additional rail cars when they were told the model was being discontinued. They needed more rail cars when Hiawatha was extended to meet Northstar.
As usual with the LRT opponents acctsah2, you show incredible ignornance of the subject when making your "points". I strongly suggest you drive by either the Bloomington Park and Ride or the Fort Snelling P&R any day about 9am and look at the lots. THEY ARE FULL. All those people drove there and took the LRT to work (or wherever), with most heading downtown. Those cars and drivers would have been on I-35 heading into Mpls had they not chosen the LRT instead. Does LRT "eliminate" traffic congestion? Of course not. But it helps to relieve some of it. Buses are on teh road with autos and CONTRIBUTE to the congestion. Also, ridership on the Hiawatha line is far and away ahead of any projected numbers when the line was built. It is HUGELY succcessful. Oh and btw, the Interstate highway system in this Country has never come close to paying for itself and is supported by YOUR tax money and highway useage vehicles for commerical traffic. Maybe we should rip up the Interstates if we use your logic, eh.
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