St. Paul wins $25 million for Saints ballpark

  • Article by: ROCHELLE OLSON and PAT DOYLE , Star Tribune
  • Updated: September 14, 2012 - 6:37 AM

The biggest chunk of state grant money goes to build a Saints ballpark in Lowertown.

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EleanoreSep. 13, 12 7:05 AM

This man is not Santa Claus. One reason your taxes are so high, is because government is spending money they aren't authorized to spend, like this and the costs of administering it. We need to end "economic development" spending as the theft it is. Let the private sector commercial interests fund their own whims.

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Truckman182Sep. 13, 12 7:44 AM

We of course have to have a $27,000,000 new stadium because Midway Stadium is just not nice enough. Sure is fun spending somebody elses money isn't Mr. Governor????

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turgidSep. 13, 12 8:48 AM

If they go with the stadium, they should mandate that the design and construction be provided by Minnesota companies. We have the skills here to do that. Anything less would violate their own priority of creating jobs.

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SammyBoySep. 13, 12 9:17 AM

I hate to break it to Eleanore and others who liked the comment, but there is this pesky little document called the Constitution of the State of Minnesota. In it, there are a whole slew of powers that We, The People of Minnesota vest in our elected representatives, two of which are taxation and bonding. If you don't like it, change it. But stop pretending it's "theft" or some other third-party assault on your person. You, by living in Minnesota and ceding yourself to its laws and constitution, are both part of and an agent of change to the government. Take responsibility for your government's actions, rather than pretending it was someone else. This is a Representative Republic, with founding documents that clearly state that it is We, The People that form this nation and its government. Government is not imported from the moon and run by mice. If you really don't understand what that means and what your privileges and responsibilities are under such a government, please refer to a High School Civics class or attend citizenship classes.

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muggsh2oSep. 13, 12 9:40 AM

I hate to break it to Eleanore and others who liked the comment, but there is this pesky little document called the Constitution of the State of Minnesota. In it, there are a whole slew of powers that We, The People of Minnesota vest in our elected representatives, two of which are taxation and bonding. If you don't like it, change it. But stop pretending it's "theft" or some other third-party assault on your person. You, by living in Minnesota and ceding yourself to its laws and constitution, are both part of and an agent of change to the government. Take responsibility for your government's actions, rather than pretending it was someone else. This is a Representative Republic, with founding documents that clearly state that it is We, The People that form this nation and its government. Government is not imported from the moon and run by mice. If you really don't understand what that means and what your privileges and responsibilities are under such a government, please refer to a High School Civics class or attend citizenship classes. ============================ sammyboy - what you're missing is we have a very broken system and does it make more sense to borrow more money so our politicians can pay off those they owe with pet projects...or should we not borrow more money, just 'cause. Many of us believe the system needs fixing and our voices are getting stronger and stronger. Obama will lose in November because he is not listening to all of us who want our strong economic standing back and spending at record amounts is not going to get our great country back to its top standing. Independents like me are going to decide the next leaders and a free spending bunch are not going to win. Dayton is going to run into the same problem in a few years.

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EleanoreSep. 13, 12 9:47 AM

Sorry Sammy but the constitution of the US sets the standard for just and lawful taxation and bonding (taking of a citizens property. While Public Use taxing and bonding is perfectly legal, bonding for private profit is not. So while needed public facilities are certainly acceptable, sports stadiums don't cut the standard. Neither do "civic centers" which are nothing more than exposition centers for private commercial interests to obtain subsiidzed profit from The private sector should be doing these, and would be if they were profitable and worthwhile. It would be better if people understood this reality.

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EleanoreSep. 13, 12 9:49 AM

You sound like anything the government, govenor, legislature does is ok since they've been annointed by "representative democracy". It's not. The constitution, federal and state, sets the standards they may not deviate from, and must adhere to. Spending of sports stadiums, civic centers, and economic development subsidies does not fall within their pervue. Perhaps a basic course in representative democracy is in order again for all of us.

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EleanoreSep. 13, 1210:06 AM

Another item the party likes to call a tax but doesn't meet the constitutional standard for taking...property tax. You're going to be seeing a trend here against corporatism and in favor of constitutional republic like hasn't been seen in america for quite some time if the party of "mine" doesn't relearn their civics lessons right from the basic law of the land upward. I'm not hopeful given recent trends.

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stpaulisbestSep. 13, 1210:44 AM

More money for ballparks! We steal (oops, I mean "borrow") money from our schools. Our roads and bridges are crumbling. Police and fire departments are being slashed because we can't afford them. Libraries are reducing hours or closing. And all our elected "leaders" can figure out to do is hand out our money to private sports teams for new ballparks. No money for youth sports. St. Paul has to lease it's rec centers to private organizations because it can't maintain them anymore. But privately owned spots teams get millions of dollars of your money. Money that's supposed to go to public youth sports, schools, libraries, roads, bridges. It's an upside down world we live in.

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stpaulisbestSep. 13, 1210:48 AM

Eleanore - I'm against this type of spending as much or more than you, but you hurt your (our) argument when you blather on about this being "unconstitutional". Just looking through my copy here and I don't see the slightest reference to anything that could be taken to mean what you assert. So, before you go on ranting, please explain what article of the constitution you are referring to.

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