Ryan's supporters won't ever believe his facts are wrong

  • Article by: Eliot Spitzer , Slate
  • Updated: August 30, 2012 - 7:25 PM

We keep saying that if that public only heard the truth, they would turn against him and Mitt Romney. If only it were so easy.

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dewey666Aug. 30, 12 4:33 PM

Actually, it's been well documented that everything Ryan said about the auto plant was correct - even CNN has admitted that. How can you say you're telling people the truth when you are telling lies?

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goferfanzAug. 30, 12 4:46 PM

It just gets funnier, here is Spitzer to tell us "facts" as Dems make them up....who's next-->John Edwards? Well, Elliot, of this there is NO doubt = the Janesville plant was still making cars in the spring of 2009. Closed plants cant do that, can they? Medicare did have funds diverted, and there was a Downgrade under Owebama. Those are facts. If you care, there is also still a brutal Obama war with lots of casualties, it's still a net negative for jobs under Obama, and he will add almost 6 T in new debt in one term. If you arent on welfare, who would want this failure re-elected? Fortunately, Romney will win by 5-7 points this fall. He surely cant be any worse.......

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pumiceAug. 30, 12 4:49 PM

From the article: "Facts, as they have admitted, will not be the guiding force in their campaign." Keep in mind what Romney/Ryan pollster Neil Newhouse holds as his guiding principle, dewey666: "We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers." That puts the responsibility on Us, the People, to check facts for ourselves. Paul Ryan's nose, for example, is much longer this morning than it was last night--Paul Ryan lied Medicare; he lied about the GM plant in Janesville which closed before Barack Obama became President; he lied about the Recovery Act; he lied about the deficit and debt.

Paul Ryan is a born-again deficit hawk with an Ayn Rand economic ideology and a Thomas Aquinas social ideology. Romney/Ryan don't believe in checking facts. We'll have to check the facts for ourselves. (Although if Spitzer's opinion is correct, it won't matter.)

What will matter is if more federal courts come to the same decision as a three-judge panel in Washington did when it ruled unanimously against Texas' photo ID law because the law imposes "strict, unforgiving burdens on the poor."

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dewey666Aug. 30, 12 4:58 PM

Here's what Ryan said about the Janesville plant: "Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight." This is all true. The plant closed in JUNE 2009, 5 months AFTER Obama became president. I wouldn't believe the fact-checkers either when they consistently distort the facts to support the democrats.

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pumiceAug. 30, 12 5:06 PM

"By December 2008, when President George W. Bush authorized nearly $14 billion in loans to General Motors and Chrysler, both of which were near financial collapse, GM had already warned it might close the Janesville plant because of sagging sport-utility vehicle sales. The plant was effectively shut down on Dec. 23, 2008, when GM ceased production of SUVs there and laid off 1,200 workers. (Several dozen workers stayed on another four months to finish an order of small- to medium-duty trucks for Isuzu Motors.)" Politifact/Wisconsin

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pumiceAug. 30, 12 5:09 PM

The Detroit News pointed out that Obama made no such promise in the February 13, 2008, speech, and indeed, we've seen no account suggesting that Obama did. (CNN Fact Check)

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pumiceAug. 30, 12 5:10 PM

"[B]y December 2008, the plant had reached a point of no return where the plant would be shut down regardless of federal action. Ryan was faulting Obama for an that was event that was inevitable over a month before he took office." WaPo

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LakeliverAug. 30, 12 5:12 PM

I guess if you double and triple the lie in the minds of some politicians that makes it the truth, such as Bush did about why we went to war against Iraq. Here is the final conclusion of CNN: But to fairly evaluate Obama's statement, at least two pieces of context -- missing from Ryan's account -- would be useful: First, that Obama wasn't telling this plant that he'd save it from a pending closure. He wasn't addressing a plant that he knew to be closing, because the closure announcement didn't come until four months after his speech. Second, although the plant's last bit of production stopped early in Obama's presidency and the plant remains closed, the closure was planned before Obama became president. Verdict: True, but incomplete.

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pumiceAug. 30, 12 5:12 PM

"The Janesville, Wis., General Motors plant Paul Ryan mentioned in his speech Wednesday night closed on Dec. 23, 2008 – before President Barack Obama took office and before his auto task force engineered GM’s federally financed bankruptcy." WSJ

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LakeliverAug. 30, 12 5:15 PM

So it is clearly NOT true "that everything Ryan said about the auto plant was correct." Leaving out very important parts of the context is a slimy lie that far too many politicians engage in these days, from both sides of the aisle, but if you present yourself as the straight shooter, the man with the unvarnished facts, you have no business forming a conclusion without all of the critical data, which is exactly what Ryan did last night

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