'Fast and Furious' gun sting had '96 precedent in Minnesota

  • Article by: KEVIN DIAZ , Star Tribune
  • Updated: June 28, 2012 - 10:28 AM

Key ATF agent faced similar questions here.

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jcinmnJun. 27, 1211:14 PM

Don't these people ever get fired? Gillett should have lost his job after the MInneapolis fiasco instead he's moved on to bigger and better things. Remember when Rumsfeld, Chaney and Ashcroft worked for Reagan? Think Iran Contra. Then they worked for GHWBush. Then they got us involved in Afghanistan and Iraq. Get rid of Gillet before he becomes Sec of Defense and gets us involved in another unnecessary war like Rumsfeld, Chaney and Ashcroft did.

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kissmygritsJun. 27, 1211:31 PM

"gun traffickers continue to face few legal obstacles in obtaining large-quantities of high-powered weapons," Seriously doubt that traffickers can achieve 'large-quantities' thru legal sales to straw buyers. A gun here a gun there doesn't get you very far very fast. Might work for your neighborhood street gang but Mexican drug cartels? Doesn't pass muster. Nice try though.

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drposterJun. 28, 1212:04 AM

Really Kevin? The previous programs.. weak as they were at least had tracking. FnF had none which had a tactical reason.. But Holder and Obama playing dumb over the op is just plain dumb. They needed an Oliver North, but instead circled the wagons and said.. "wasn't us".. Dumb.

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chemnpJun. 28, 1212:58 AM

mexico has 1 gun store. in the capital city. you'd be foolish to think that mexican cartels are getting their guns from anywhere but the US. and yes, straw buyers can supply an entire cartel's needs quickly. that's exactly what they've done.

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tooty123Jun. 28, 12 2:11 AM

An 18 year old can purchase 477 guns at one time in Arizona and no one checks why he needs that many guns. Prosecutors in AZ won't bring charges because they haven't broken any laws in AZ. The AFT cannot arrest them with the permission of the prosecutors. Arizona has created this mess so don't blame The AFT, Holder, or the government. The NRA wants the guns sold because they are the lobbying arm of the gun manufacturers in the US. More guns sold; more money for the manufacturers. They could care less about people getting killed; just the money.

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randomname44Jun. 28, 12 3:00 AM

Chemp: You couldn't be more wrong. You ever see the pics that accompany the stories about busts in Mexico? It's usually a table with a bunch of money and all kinds of weapons mostly full-auto AK47s and M16s. There is also usually a couple of RPGs and Frag grenades for good measure. These weapons are not coming from the US. The M16s and grenades are most likely stolen from MEXICAN armories as most cartel members are former (or current) Mexican military. The full-auto AK47s and RPGs are most likely USSR surplus that flooded the global black market after the fall of the Soviet Union. Black market Soviet AK47s cost a fraction of a fraction of the price of an American semi-auto AR15. Which begs the question, why would they spend $1,500 for one American semi-auto AR15 or $600-$700 for a cheap semi-auto AK47 knockoff sold in the USA when they can get an entire crate of the full-auto real deal made in the USSR black market AK47s for the same price? They don't. Another thing I don't get about liberal logic. We are made to believe that all the drug problems Mexico are the USA's fault because we create the market by buying all the drugs. We are then told that all the violence in Mexico is our fault because we (supposedly) sell them all their guns. By their own liberal logic wouldn't the violence be their own fault because they created the market for all the guns they (supposedly) buy from us? USA buys from Mexico = USA's fault Mexico (supposedly) buys from the USA = USA's Fault How can it be both? Or is it just another example of how liberals love to contort logic to make every problem in the world the USA's fault?

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randomname44Jun. 28, 12 3:56 AM

tooty123 please cite one example of an 18 year old buying 477 guns at one time in Arizona. What's that, you can't because it's never happened? Enough with the hyperbole already. You and I both know that if one person ever tried to buy 477 guns legal or not the ATF would stop them and inquire about it before they ever leave the parking lot. Unless of course they were instructed by the DoJ not to. If Eric Holder had nothing to do with F&F as he claims then why would he rather be held in contempt than release the documents pertaining to it? And before someone says that this started under Bush it should be made clear that during Operation Wide Receiver (the operation done under Bush) no guns were allowed to walk and especially no guns were ever allowed to cross the border. In Operation Fast and Furious started in 2009 under Obama guns were not only allowed to walk but they were allowed to be smuggled into Mexico without ever notifying the Mexican government about it. There could only be two possible reasons for this boneheaded operation. (1) Wait for the walked guns to turn up at murder scenes in Mexico (again without the Mexican government's knowledge) in order to see which cartel the murdered gunman belonged to or turn up at cartel busts so they could trace which cartels had people buy guns from which US gun stores. Information I don't see to be particularly valuable especially considering these guns have killed hundreds of Mexicans. (2) Purposely allow Mexico to be flooded with US guns (again not telling Mexico) knowing they will eventually be used in a substantial amount of murders. Wait for a furious Mexican government to speak out about all these people being killed with US guns (not knowing the US purposely let those guns go to Mexico). Then use the Mexican anger and body count to justify reinstating a stricter "ASSAULT WEAPONS" ban. And oh yeah, hope no Americans are killed in the process. Well as fate would have it a Border Patrol agent, an ICE agent, and about a dozen American civilians have been killed with these guns that were allowed to walk and now the democrats are accusing the republicans of playing politics, a fishing expedition, a witch hunt, and racism for trying to find out who was ultimately responsible for this boondoggle. Because apparently finding out who is responsible for this nonsense and weeding them out of the government to make sure something this stupid is never allowed to happen again is just partisan politics. By the way how many Americans were killed because of Watergate?

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suziecueJun. 28, 12 5:48 AM

"you'd be foolish to think that mexican cartels are getting their guns from anywhere but the US" --- Facts prove you wrong. You ought to look into it. The number of guns confiscated in Mexico that can be traced back to the USA is 17%.

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suziecueJun. 28, 12 5:50 AM

tooty123: Does the 18 year old have a license to buy 477 guns? Even if he did, where did he get the money? You really don't think the ATF would be looking at a purchase of that size? Come on. Please give us facts.

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EleanoreJun. 28, 12 6:55 AM

This is lawlessness, and no one can be tolerated to be lawless on this scale. These individuals should face stiff prison terms sumarrily. The AG, those further down the chain who went along twith the lawlessnes rather than blowing the wistle, as well as those up it.

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