Presidential campaign -- a conversation stopper

  • Article by: DAVID BANKS , Star Tribune
  • Updated: April 16, 2012 - 9:15 PM
  • 40
  • Comments

  • Results per page:
crystalbayApr. 16, 1210:27 PM

The hypocrisy of how the right wing has ginned up this faux controversy is that there's video of Romney stating strongly that all moms receiving any assistance should be working outside the home ("even if they have a 2-year old at home). So, please explain why it's a full-time "job" for YOUR wife to be at home, but for poor moms, they need to work outside the home? Sheer hypocrisy based on class. If anything, a woman who's wealthy enough to have four household workers should be working outside the home!

22
9
crystalbayApr. 16, 1210:31 PM

The hypocrisy of how the right wing has ginned up this faux controversy is that there's video of Romney stating strongly that all moms receiving any assistance should be working outside the home ("even if they have a 2-year old at home). So, please explain why it's a full-time "job" for YOUR wife to be at home, but for poor moms, they need to work outside the home? Sheer hypocrisy based on class. If anything, a woman who's wealthy enough to have four household workers should be working outside the home!

14
8
pumicevilleApr. 16, 1211:09 PM

"So, please explain why it's a full-time "job" for YOUR wife to be at home, but for poor moms, they need to work outside the home?" - Maybe you can explain why 75% of all black babies are born out of wedlock, and it is nearly 50% for the rest of the country? BTW, should "poor moms" be living at home for free at the taxpayer's expense? Thanks, William Johnson.

11
18
mcjoe1Apr. 17, 12 2:42 AM

Maybe you can explain why 75% of all black babies are born out of wedlock, and it is nearly 50% for the rest of the country? BTW, should "poor moms" be living at home for free at the taxpayer's expense? Thanks, William Johnson. ---- People of all kinds of backgrounds make poor decisions, some people were lucky to be born into a family with means. Sadly, people that make poor decisions have a way to continue making poor decisions. In a majority of cases, pushing people of poor decision making off of assistance is not going to make them become better providers for their family. Through my friendships I've learned that many people don't develop a sense of drive or motivation. I don't envy their lifestyle at all, but I think every American should be guaranteed a minimum poverty level lifestyle. By assisting those with children, it has a better chance of helping the next generation succeed in areas where their parents struggled. Is it going to work every time.. no.. but I'd rather support a plan that's at least trying to make things better for our fellow citizens rather than giving up on them. In the meantime we should also try to change our cational culture to reduce the glamor of crime related activities, develop a greater sense of personal pride, and teach the ethical approach to earning money instead of seeking the easiest way for a quick buck.

17
7
owatonnabillApr. 17, 12 5:52 AM

So much of this discussion is just plain ridiculous. My stepdaughter has four kids ages 3 to 14 and she has never seen herself as being held down or oppressed in any way. She and her husband both work full time, but opposite shifts so that one of them is always with children. They have never accepted one dime in public assistance of any kind and none of their kids have spent a moment in day care. The results of their parenting is startlingly apparent when compared to that of so many of their peers. They're not complaining but instead are grateful for the opportunity they have to do what they're doing. The lesson here is that they're doing it in precisely the same country, and in many cases the same city, as many of the complainers. Maybe if so many people would just quite feeling sorry for themselves or bemoaning their imagined plight, and started working to correct things on a PERSONAL level (which is where it all starts) their lives would be happier.

11
7
davehougApr. 17, 12 6:52 AM

Give a man a fish or teach him to fish. BOTH are noble ideas. However we need to talk about when a safety net becomes a hammock. WHAT is the duty of the rich, WHAT is the duty of those on assistance. WHY is crime chosen as a career.

9
10
my4centsApr. 17, 12 7:26 AM

"I think every American should be guaranteed a minimum poverty level lifestyle." ---- So, no matter how foolish ones choices are, other people ought to be forced to provide for them? Sounds compassionate, but the consequences are more and more people dependent on others (government) - and it hurts everyone.

9
12
gimbelApr. 17, 12 9:24 AM

but the consequences are more and more people dependent on others (government) - and it hurts everyone. by my4cents

This is one of the latest Frank Luntz talking points and it's a prime example of how Cons have no regard for the truth. Here's why: until this second great Republican depression that we are slowly emerging from, numbers of welfare recipients had gone DOWN dramatically. Didja ever hear of 'welfare to work', you Cons???? Didja ever hear of the welfare reform bill enacted during the Clinton presidency which resulted in tens of thousands of mostly mothers with children being kicked off of the welfare rolls?

As another poster said on another thread recently, Cons hate government help for anyone other than themselves, especially if it's somebody they don't like.

15
4
pumicevilleApr. 17, 12 9:26 AM

"People of all kinds of backgrounds make poor decisions, some people were lucky to be born into a family with means. Sadly, people that make poor decisions have a way to continue making poor decisions. In a majority of cases, pushing people of poor decision making off of assistance is not going to make them become better providers for their family." - This is classic liberalism in a nutshell. Every liberal should read this to see the flaw--"Well, our INTENTIONS were good. That is all that matters. The results were unfortunately not so good. It just wouldn't be very kind of us to cut these poor people off assistance." My answer is liberalism created the broken family structure that allows this garbage to continue generation after generation. I don't want to cut the cord either, but I would say this, anyone who has a kid out of wedlock you are on your own. Period. Me thinks the out of wedlock birthrate will decrease over night. If you want to stop bad behavior, stop subsidizing it. 75% isn't the exception, it is the norm in that culture.

4
13
jgmanciniApr. 17, 12 9:31 AM

There's going to be abuse in any system. Is it OK? No. But not everyone on assistance is there because they made bad choices or are lazy. Most are children. Not much they can do about being too young to take care of themselves. There are people with disabilities, debilitating illness, mental illness, the list goes on and on. Those people are not congratulating themselves on their cushy lifestyle. At the same time, not everyone who is wealthy made good choices or is there because they deserve it. Where's the outrage at white collar crime? Do you know how many medical professionals engage in Medicare/Medicaid fraud? It costs taxpayers a lot more than someone getting a few extra foodstamps each month.

13
1

Comment on this story   |  

ADVERTISEMENT

  • about opinion

  • The Opinion section is produced by the Editorial Department to foster discussion about key issues. The Editorial Board represents the institutional voice of the Star Tribune and operates independently of the newsroom.

  • Submit a letter or commentary
Connect with twitterConnect with facebookConnect with Google+Connect with PinterestConnect with PinterestConnect with RssfeedConnect with email newsletters

ADVERTISEMENT

ADVERTISEMENT

ADVERTISEMENT