Minneapolis considers ways to get North Side rolling

  • Article by: ERIC ROPER , Star Tribune
  • Updated: February 17, 2012 - 10:21 PM

City officials say streetcars would signal investment in a region hit by poverty and disaster.

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freak00069Feb. 17, 1211:06 PM

i like the idea of testing out streetcars again in an area with high transit ridership. Compared to putting a streetcar along 50th street in south - i doubt all those tangletowners or harriet folks would park their Range Rovers and use a *gasp* public system. I would put 'em on W, Broadway, Penn Ave N, Fremont/Emerson (N),Johnson ave (NE) Hennepin, Lyndale(north and south), Nicollet, Chicago - and the midtown greenway and Franklin to bisect all the north/south lines on the southside....simple. Vote for me. :)

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nonsuberFeb. 18, 12 8:15 AM

Isn't this whole transit thing really about the downtown merchants and the Met Council trying to get suburbanites with expendable incomes back downtown? A street car system isolated to the North Side is just another effort to contain the poverty that the City has worked so hard to isolate. First step was to promise the possibility of a new streetcar system (following existing bus routes)to split public opinion and clear the way to skirt the North Side and run the LRT through a scenic parkway. Now the concept of just improving the current bus lines is poking up it's head. Who could have seen that one coming?

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research2dayFeb. 18, 1210:00 AM

I think @nonsuber is on the right track; but that's just a part of it. I don't see any link of causality between updating from buses to street cars "AND" it bringing new biz to that area. The reason there isn't any business in that neighborhood is (1) there's hardly any spendable income in that community; and (2)it's the most dangerous part of the city. Who in their right mind is going to get up even for one morning and think to his/herself, "Gee, I think I'll take a ride to where all the shootings are in Minneapolis." Pouring more and more and more and more public dollars into that neighborhood has done absolutely nothing to improve it. Just look at it; and look at how much money has been spent on it in the last 40 years. You can't avoid the facts. The only thing that is going to turn that area around is parents being parents keeping their children in school and being responsible. If you can keep them in school you have a chance of getting them to college; which means you have a larger chance to bring new employment and income to the neighborhood; "IF", you can persuade them to stay. Personally, I don't think it will ever change. People aren't going to ride a bus or streetcar into that neighborhood, or even want to pass through it. If you need more transportation in and through the area, add more buses. People aren't going to stop and spend money as long as the risk of being robbed or shot on the sidewalk still exists. It's simply a 'Mini-Block-E'.

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ormaybenotFeb. 18, 1210:10 AM

Light Rail belongs on the Length of West Broadway in North Minneapolis. The D-1 Proposal skirting the 'Hood', was always to be the outcome, talk talk talk not withstanding. D-2 A and D-2 B were "Red Herrings or Straw Proposals" to be knocked down later./// Development Cash follows Light Rail tracks; so why wasn't the length of West Broadway Avenue in North Minneapolis The DAY 1-D-1 Alignment Proposal?? Ooops Pardon Me, that area is WAY to "Urban" for suburbanites and Civic Leaders to allow those people a reverse commute.

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webfootFeb. 18, 1210:48 AM

Until you clean up the crime problems in north Minneapolis, no plan is going to work.

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bleuvenomFeb. 18, 1210:57 AM

So light rail would be tax dollar funded, correct? And there are comments here about how no one from the suburbs would ride public transportation through "that" area. If the idea is to increase ridership, why would you not put it where those paying for it (read:suburbs vs northside) are most likely to use it? How can that be called anything but smart use of the facts in place. Putting more tranportation into an area people would rather avoid (and probably would) seems about as foolish as thinking that light rail actually does anything other than drain the coffers.

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ormaybenotFeb. 18, 1211:18 AM

I agree with Bluvenom, above, and wish to piggyback on his logic. Let us rope off North Mpls. as part of the likely Northside Avoidance Alignment. Nobody in/// Nobody out. And no reason for, nor stimulus toward, renewal.

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rgoodfellowFeb. 18, 1211:37 AM

I think that all of the public housing needs to be removed from the north side and all of the large apartment complexes need to be destroyed. Once we lower the population density we can then seriously discuss urban renewal. Light rail down Olson to the western suburbs makes complete but a stop in north Minneapolis is debatable..it takes 15 min by bus. We also need to hold property owners to a higher standard..we need to make sure they keep their properties clean and the trash out the gutters and the foilage maintained..if the property owners take more pride in their prperties

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ruphinaFeb. 18, 1212:11 PM

After you tear down the high density housing, you need to tear down two blocks at a time in pairs and replace every 4 dinky Mpls lots with one, no alley, with the garages on one street and the house fronts on the other (every other street is then basically an alley). Zone it for nothing less than 5000 sq ft and $1M price. Start at Olsen hiway and the edge of Golden Valley and work your way in. Then put in transit, but include a separate, much higher cost secure (train car-bus-streetcar-whatever) from the Renewal Station located just west of where the renewal started. Or just tear it all down and expand Wirth Park. Bill G.

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compuserFeb. 18, 12 1:30 PM

Having been beaten and robbed twice on Broadway between Penn and Lyndale, unless you are arming the street car operators and posting a well armed Uniformed swat team on each street car only the hookers and the drug dealers will be using the public transportation on the near north side.

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