Case for voter ID is based on misdirection

  • Article by: CHUCK SAMUELSON
  • Updated: November 9, 2011 - 8:18 PM

Minnesota has one of the cleanest systems of voting in the nation.

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xenonimusNov. 9, 11 8:49 PM

Philosophicaly, I inclined to agree with the ACLU's position. That said, I have seen no evidence that any investigation or study has been done to determine whether or not there is an issue of voter fraud. Simply citing the known occurances says nothing about the frequency of unknown occurances. Therefore, instead of trying to fix an illdefined problem with an illconcieved law, maybe we should be trying to determine whether there is any problem at all. If there is, it would help to know the exact nature of the problem prior to attempting to fix it. Either way, we have no business interfering with any citizens ability to excercise their right to vote.

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adda01Nov. 9, 11 9:12 PM

If someone casts a vote illegally, my vote is devalued. I can not see why we can't have some sort of identification requirement.

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gregory101Nov. 9, 11 9:26 PM

I personally observed a young woman state she did not have a valid id and then voted. She later drove out of the parking lot, I always wonder how often she voted that day. The rubes are fooled by the good goverment types that say Minnesota is clean.

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hinjonNov. 9, 11 9:42 PM

The only problem with requiring voter ID to prevent felons from voting is that it doesn't prevent felons from voting. Nothing on a Minnesota DL or any other ID says "convicted felon," so there would be no way to prevent the vote at the polls. Also, showing your ID would also not prevent someone from driving around and voting at multiple locations, as gregory101 suggested, unless they were to implement a state-wide intranet system that automatically updated when an ID was swiped, which would be extremely costly.

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sawmanNov. 10, 11 1:24 AM

Who gets elected is not the point. The results are always the same.

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krisswNov. 10, 11 1:47 AM

So, Gregory101, if you saw someone vote and were dissatisfied with the election judges handling of it did you make notes, include provable facts and notify the correct authorities? You said she drove out, did you get her car license number? Did you do anything at all other than make vague comments on an on-line forum? It looks like you either made it up or walked away from something you felt was a criminal act without doing anything.

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crystalbayNov. 10, 11 1:56 AM

" maybe we should be trying to determine whether there is any problem at all. ".........The non-partisan Brennan Center recently produced a very detailed, comprehensive study that showed actual voter fraud to be in the .0005 range. It's a solution looking for a problem, will disenfranchise 3.2 eligible voters (Brennan stats), and cost millions nationally to implement. The only reason the GOP is pushing these photo ID bills is to suppress the Democratic vote as it's largely Dems who are in the affected demographics. Elderly, disabled, poor, and students. It's unconscionable that the right wing is doing this, especially since they're lying about this being a problem as their reason. Brennan Center states that you're more likely to be hit by lightning than a fraudulent vote being cast.

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godandgunsNov. 10, 11 2:06 AM

Nov. 9, 11 9:26 PM "I personally observed a young woman state she did not have a valid id and then voted. She later drove out of the parking lot, I always wonder how often she voted that day. The rubes are fooled by the good goverment types that say Minnesota is clean." -- MN often has its head up its butt. Look how they have mastered the art of merging onto the freeways. Or figuring out how to stay out of the left lane on a freeway. Or something really complex, like the skill of using the turn signal. 'Ya sure, we are honest folks out here, ya know and what not. Why should we need to be bothered by some dang ID, and what not? What the heck, then? Don't ya trust us, then?? Geeeeez. I'm goin' back to the barn. Uff da, this really sucks, then!

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northhillNov. 10, 11 4:35 AM

A Minnesota driver's license does NOT prove citizenship.There are people who live and work in Minnesota(legally)who are not American citizens.They,however,must have a Minnesota driver's license to drive.They are considered residents.They also cannot vote.The place to prove American citizenship is when a person registers to vote.That's where you must prove American citizenship.Voter ID is nothing but a Republican ploy to discourage voters.

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gregory101Nov. 10, 11 5:54 AM

Krissw, what would you have done? You probably would not have given it any thought since it appears you don't believe there is any fraud in the land of the rubes.

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