Tevlin: Understandable impulse to help victim led to mugger's death

  • Article by: JON TEVLIN , Star Tribune
  • Updated: November 1, 2011 - 11:21 PM
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smittyjsNov. 1, 11 8:56 PM

This guy did what all good citizens with any guts should do regardless of what the police say. The can't protect everyone and would not do much about strong armed robbery. In Texas people would be clamoring to award this gentleman the Joe Horn Award, a box of ammo and time at the range. I agree, thanks man you did a great civic duty. Too bad it happened.

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elkriverscotNov. 1, 11 9:20 PM

The police cannot protect you. After the crime is called in the dispatcher gives it to the squad and then they drive to the crime scene and get out and take notes on what happened. They are very good at catching the bad guys with the exception of burglars. Regardless of what happened a piece of human trash is now off the earth forever. Thank goodness and good riddance. Hiring more police will decrease response time but will not and can not prevent crime. You are on your own in this life and no one will protect you except yourself. Carrying a cell phone is just dandy but as effective as carrying a tv remote control When seconds count, the police are minutes away. Life is dangerous.

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BrewmanNov. 1, 1110:04 PM

This incident has less to do with a carry permit than it does with a citizens justified use of deadly force to defend themselves. The MN statutes on self defense, especially using deadly force, are relatively explicit. If someone uses deadly force we are allowed to defend ourselves, thankfully.

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abrothmanNov. 1, 1110:16 PM

Mark and Ron are good guys, and they're not wrong. It is always safer to be a good witness than to attempt to stop a crime. But thugs ply their trade, mostly unafraid, because they can be fairly confident that most people "don't want to get involved." How far we've come from the time of Sir Robert Peel, the father of modern policing, who said, ""The police are the people and the people are the police. Police are paid full-time to do what is incumbent on every citizen." It's just plain wrong that the 99% of good folk fear the 1% of thugs. While this good Samaritan took a personal risk, both physical and legal, in intervening, you have to wonder what would happen to crime rates if more people acted like he did. In a more just world, walking out of a grocery store should be safe, and mugging someone should be dangerous. In these events, justice took a tiny step forward.

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mnmaggiemnNov. 2, 11 1:44 AM

Its always sad when someone has to kill someone but he was within his legal right. If more americans would defend themselves and let the criminals fear the consequences for their actions, maybe the world would be a safer place. Most criminals do not fear jail or prison but death is something that most fear. Kudos to the hero

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gking2mnNov. 2, 11 6:41 AM

Brewman the statue defines self defense as you have no ability to get away it does not say chase the persn down then shoot him if he draws on you. Thats the gray area, I can tell you the next time that happens the person will probally get charged becasue the courts will say we cannot have vilgalante running amuck in the city.

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photogpatNov. 2, 11 7:40 AM

The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence is calling this incident a "Drive-By Shooting" by a "Concealed Carry Permit holder". With the known facts - that couldn't be further from the truth. This was a concerned citizen, within his legal rights, getting "involved" in a street crime. The outcome for the perpetrator, a career criminal known to Mpls Police, was unavoidable given his choice of lifestyle. People, don't let the media spin this into anything other than what it was - and the good citizen who intervened into anything other than a hero.

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CVO103Nov. 2, 11 7:56 AM

Isn't it amazing how the 'good guy' always gets the scrutiny and media attention for doing a good deed, while the low-life criminal (who also had a gun but no permit for it) is barely ever talked about? It's just all backwards. Anyway, I commend the private citizen for what he did. Our streets are just a little bit safer today as a result.

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abrothmanNov. 2, 11 8:46 AM

gking2mn: No, that's not what the use of force statute says; perhaps you should read it first? CASE LAW, on the other hand, requires that a person may only use deadly force in self defense if retreat is not possible. That's what happened here, as the DFL county attorney determined.

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mooch12Nov. 2, 11 9:48 AM

Good commnetary by Tevlin. Everyone should read "More Guns Less Crime" by Lott, which clearly proves that defensive gun use in this country has saved countless lives, thank goodness that Mn passed the law and now WI citizens can protect themselves. Remember, if you outlaw guns only the outlaws will have them, violent crime in the UK involving firearms has skyrocketed since they took guns away from law-abiding citizens. The scumbag got what he deserved and the hero saved a lot more people who would've been future targets. Also saved the taxpayers a lot of money-thank you sir!

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