Rookie at QB not new for Vikings coaches

  • Article by: SID HARTMAN , Star Tribune
  • Updated: October 20, 2011 - 11:48 PM

Bill Musgrave worked with Matt Ryan in Atlanta, while Craig Johnson helped Vince Young in Tennessee.

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danroseOct. 20, 1110:08 PM

great article as usual Sid, Spergyn "one hop" McNabb claims that he has a lot of football left in him. I haven't chuckled that hard since a old friend of mine said that Molly Hatchett was going to be bigger than Lynyrd Skynyrd. the Vikings could make a lot of us Viking fans chuckle if they can pull off an upset on Sunday. John Marty needs to keep his nose out of the Vikings stadium solution. the Metrodump for a dollar idea is a insincere attempt to divert attention elsewhere. nobody trusts Marty.

purplemoronOct. 20, 1111:50 PM

Just abouth the ONLY thing viking's coaches are familiarwith is washed up veteran QBs who are well past their prime of their careers!!! For example, Archie Manning, Jim McMahon, Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Jeff George, Brad Johnson(the second time around), Gus Frerotte, Favre, Donovan McFlabb etc...This franchise is obsessed with loser veteran QBs!!! No wonder they have not won a Super Bowl/World Championship in the 51 (and counting)year history!!!

jtrain991Oct. 21, 11 2:44 AM

With the Vikings offense facing 8 and 9 man boxes to stop Peterson, we need a QB who can buy some time and get the ball downfield. Ponder should be able to do this much better than Mcnabb. Sure, the O-line is terrible but the WR's need to start beating single coverage more. When they did, Mcnabb one-hopped them or missed them in stride resulting in drops or no YAC. Musgrave also needs to do a better job of spreading out the offense. His way to counter a stacked defense is to use a fullback and 3 tightend formation and run it up the middle. I don't care who you have in the game, a pro offense should be able to light it up when defenses have both safetys in playing linebacker.

AlohaMikeOct. 21, 11 6:02 AM

Not sure I like either comparison, Sid. Young has been a flop and a basket case; the jury is still out on Ryan. Is he really “ranked with the best quarterbacks in the NFL?” Ryan and the Falcons have been good two of the last three years but are 0-2 in their playoff games with Ryan under center. Bill Musgrave and Craig Johnson have not proven their ability to develop a top-notch QB in this league yet but I certainly hope they’re able to do it with Ponder.

jmndodgeOct. 21, 11 6:36 AM

Rookie QB's can not be protected. They make big plays and big mistakes, their strength is their creativity an making something of the broken play. If you attempt to protect them with a limited offensive plan, push the running game to hard, and forget to throw on 1st down, they will be doomed to fail. The mistakes will happen no matter how conservative the scheme, but the big play will be missing. Give the kid his chance, make the defense play loose, open up the field, let's see what he can do. Sure he'll get banged up a bit, but kids heal quickly.

TabarnooshOct. 21, 11 6:51 AM

Not comfortable with the Young comparrison. He was a headcase where Ponder is not. But they are absolutely right in that a rookie just needs to go out there and get experience. I think us Vikings fans are so starved for a real live young QB that we'll live with mistakes as long as the kid keeps improving, unlike Jackson.

pccaserOct. 21, 11 7:20 AM

I agree with AlohaMike, not very good comparisons. Statistically speaking for this year, Ryan is ranked 21st in passer rating, 17th in yards per game, tied for 12th in TD passes, and 14th in total passing yards. Sid, I am not sure how those stats back your statement that Ryan is ranked with the best in the league. Vince Young hasn't started more than 10 games in a season since 2007, and has a career passer rating of 75.3.

rememberOct. 21, 11 8:22 AM

Ryan was great when he came out of BC. He could stay in pocket and saw the field and when it didn't look right he could tuck and run. Bill Musgrave kept the pocket but now he has lost the vision to tuck and run. Ryan is very intelligent, like Ponder. Both are also great students. The difference may be Ponder has a father that will not let Musgrave screw with his sons head and make him into only a pocket qb. Maybe Musgrave will learn from Ponder. Then the Vikings can go places.

BaseballBobOct. 21, 11 8:59 AM

"The jury is still out on Ryan"? Stupid jury.

BaseballBobOct. 21, 11 9:07 AM

If you don't want to look at Ryan's stats the last couple of years, then look at the end of this season. Six games doesn't do it for me. Too many variables between now and then. Sure like what he has done previously. Also, I'll take a "washed up" Favre or Cunningham. Both had atleast one good/great season in them as a Viking.


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