Elder-care hurdle criticized

  • Article by: WARREN WOLFE , Star Tribune
  • Updated: October 25, 2011 - 11:27 AM

Some providers say the Oct. 1 law mandating phone counseling before a move to assisted living is ageist and too late to be helpful.

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eljeljSep. 25, 11 9:08 AM

Am I reading this right? Before a senior can make a decision about where to live, they must call the government to get "counseled" even if they are not on any government program. In fact, the ones in government housing don't have to get counseled. What type of information is the government collecting on our seniors. This just smells.

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hueylongSep. 25, 11 9:40 AM

Why wouldn't the private sector want seniors to be able to receive all the information available on their options related to assisted living? I can only image the high pressure sales tactics these places give to seniors and their families. We know the private sector doesn't want people to have all the information, otherwise people would make better and less expensive choices. In this case, since the government is the one to be picking up the bill after seniors exhaust their savings, I believe it is morally responsible and fiscally responsible to give seniors and their families all of the information on their assisted living options. I can see only one reason people would be against this program: they want to bilk seniors and their families out of more money.

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bbcoachSep. 25, 1110:43 AM

Hueylong, So my mother has in excess of 2 million bucks and she is required to call to get a number before she is allowed to move into as assisted living facility of her choice and you don't have a problem with this. Also, her family, is not even allowed to call on her behalf, and you have no problem with this. And finally, who do you think is paying for this new service and call center. You are, and you have no problem with this??

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mhdonohueSep. 25, 1111:09 AM

Does This Make Sense or Does It Not? An excellent article! It is no wonder the owners object. It threatens to cut into their lucrative profits! The objector quoted sets out a reason that is not even relevant to the purpose of the legislation. Anyone in the market to buy a house or move to Arizona assumes some competency. A person in such a situation as susceptible to a sales pitch to move into an assisted living facility is assumed to have some limitations or incompetency to have put assisted living on his/her agenda. Considering the confiscatory cost of it such a person is at risk for the draining of their estate down to poverty level when they qualify for Medicaid and then become the burden of government. If there is no real need to be in an assisted living home then it is not in their interest nor the interest of everyone else who ultimately foot the bill through Medicaid when they go in. Ecumen, the employer of their spokesman making the forgoing statement is a superior and an innovative chain of assisted living and nursing homes. They are doing a credible program that makes every penny spent for them well worth it. But, what is their cost? It is not as little as the $37.000 Annual Average. It is very likely much more. This cost, the average, is a little over $3,000 a month which is expensive enough. In the metro area the cost, all things added in, reaches an average of $60,000 annually or $5,000 per month. We need to take some control of this to take the enormous profit out of For Profit Privately Owned Assisted Living Enterprises. This is one way for the government to step in. The other way is for the rest of us to step in because ultimately it is out of our pocket.

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dlfriesenSep. 25, 1111:26 AM

This is not a benevolent "service" being offered to seniors. Rather, it is an attempt by the government to serve as a "gatekeeper" whose sole purpose is to restrict individual options and personal freedom. I fully agree that one's personal residence is probably the "cheapest" form of housing as long as one is capable of residing their safely. The more important question, however, is "who's right is it to determine where/how they will spend their retirement years"? I seriously doubt that by asking a mere (7) questions in (10) minutes, a government employee can evaluate the unique health needs of a taxpayer and determine the resultant most appropriate form of housing. Perhaps one's personal physician has advised the individual that he/she needs to consider a different form of housing that will enable them to live a safer life. If so, said individual's housing choices should not be restricted by an uneducated, misinformed government buearocra's decision to withhold issuance of a government "number". We don't need the government to keep us safe. Simply get out of the way!

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lylewaitressSep. 25, 11 1:18 PM

Many seniors who move into assisted living (and their families) are under the impression they will receive more assistance/care than they really get. The caregivers are not registered nursing assistants, there is not 24 hour nursing supervision in house, and most important, assisted living facilities are not subject to the rigorous regulations that nursing homes are. If a senior just needs some daily assistance with meals, housekeeping, etc. that can be provided at much cheaper cost at home, and if their medical condition is such that the person cannot live at home even with assistance, most likely they will not receive the care they need in an assisted living. There is nothing wrong with mandating that people know what their options are. It's called informed consent. And they won't get it from the assisted living companies.

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mikemn59Sep. 25, 11 6:36 PM

Just how are counselors suppose to discuss care options with seniors who are suffering from dementia or other reduced mental capacities? The decision to moved a loved one to a care facility is not made lightly by family members and is often the last resort when the person and their caregiver can no longer provide the support they need to survive.

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wildfoxSep. 25, 1111:51 PM

Thanks cons for more red tape in gov!!! I guess smaller less gov intrusion was just a campaign slogan once again! This is only part of the cons red tape ... health care providers are now not getting enough money to care for quads and paraplegics and the caregivers salaries are being reduced ... they already make 1/2 of what they should make! Let's all hope in the near future these legislators need health care from the same people! Completely absolutely insane!

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wildfoxSep. 25, 1111:53 PM

A big thank you to the cons! Still interfering in issues they have no idea about? Stuff like this is why if you vote for the cons you need your head examined!

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wildfoxSep. 25, 1111:56 PM

"This is one way for the government to step in. " ... NOT! These decisions should be made by families and the person involved not the cons! Really the more I see from the repubs the more it looks like Germany in the 1930's!

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