Referendum could be deal-breaker

  • Article by: SID HARTMAN , Star Tribune
  • Updated: September 1, 2011 - 11:11 PM

Politicians are messing up the Vikings' stadium proposal, and the team would move if it falls through.

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cmdrdataSep. 1, 11 9:26 PM

Sid - Are you aware of the problems that many cities/counties have with stadium deals that have gone bad. If so, what do you propose that would prevent the taxpayer from being gouged on this one?

wingophersSep. 1, 11 9:32 PM

The Re[ublicans ran a campaign in 2010 on "jobs, jobs, and jobs. Isn't it sad that the building a new Vikings stadium which could produce good paying construction jobs and jobs making concrete, steel and alike are not on the "jobs" agenda of the GOP in the legislature. Senator Amy Koch and Speaker of the House Zellers should lose their jobs and their majorities if they cause the Vikings to leave and all these "jobs" to never materialize.

jburchettSep. 1, 11 9:35 PM

Bye Wilf Bye Vikings,Bye Sid,Bye Bennett.State better off with no team than building any stadium for any sports franchise,specially one involved in league with multi billion dollar profits yearly.

jorge016Sep. 1, 11 9:40 PM

Billionaires need taxpayer's money to make more billions. Time to let the NFL fund these things and get the taxpayers out of it.

apat33Sep. 1, 11 9:43 PM

The the voters, tax payers, should be able to decide if they want their taxes increased to support billioniar owners. Have you seen the Viking ticket prices? The vast majority of us cannot afford to attend. Let those who gain from or enjoy a game pay for it. Andy

tribunesux85Sep. 1, 11 9:47 PM

let people vote on such a massive expenditure. vikings go to LA, so be it. sid can go too.

srlabelleSep. 1, 1110:00 PM

Isn't it odd that in the Wilf's home state an NFL stadium was built with no taxpayer dollars? Another thought that occfurs to me is that the wilfs were sold to us as real estate billionaires at the peak of the real estate boom... I think that we shoud get our hands on their contribution up front, in cash, before we even talk about putting in Minnesota dollars... I bet that, just like every other real estate flim flam artist from 2006, they haven't got two nickels to rub together. Wouldn't it suck to get dragged into a big expensive scam by a couple of New Jersey guys who blew their wad on a team they couldn't really afford? Just cause they can wine and dine a few politicians and sports writers doesn't mean that they have the where withal to get this done... and if they don't, we are all going to get screwed over big time while they fly back to Jersey with suit cases of taxpayer money.

RossbergSep. 1, 1110:10 PM

If the only way for people like Wilf and his minions to get a stadium is to demand that our Legislature take away people's voting rights then perhaps it is time for him to strongly consider moving his team elsewhere. The required referendum was always part of the law and there was never any effort made by either Mr. Wilf or the Ramsey County commissioners to see if there was a reasonable possibility that an exemption from it would be granted. Likewise, their charter has a similar provision for voter input on a tax issue. They deliberately avoided addressing these issues until all the preliminary work was done, presumably with the intent of running out the clock and putting the pressure on the Legislature to quickly approve both the plan and the referendum exemption. This was never a proposal so much as it was a carefully crafted scheme designed to squeeze taxpayers into paying for something which they didn't want with no way for them to object or prevent it from occurring. In that respect it is similar to the Twins tax scheme. However, legislatures and governors change and Gov. Dayton, Sen. Koch, Rep. Zellers, and I'm sure many others are turning out not to be quite as conniving as Gov. Pawlenty and his minions. Thus, it looks like this plan will fail but it certainly is not the fault of the Legislature or the voters. The blame rests with Mr. Wilf and the Ramsey County commissioners for putting together something which was doomed from the start. If the Vikings do leave then lay the blame at their doorstep.

DufferHSep. 1, 1110:17 PM

Hey Sid, you've made a bundle in real estate. You should partner with Wilf and buy it yourselves if you think it is such a great investment.

shanzmanSep. 1, 1110:18 PM

All of the Anti-Stadium people need to give me an example of how we could create jobs? Prove to me that construction is not the back bone of this country. Show me a plan to create jobs that does not involve government funding. Oh I am sure you can show me a small business, but show me a project that will get 3500 workers off of unemployment, oh which by the way, you are paying for in TAXES! I am so close to screaming profanities at you id10t's. GET A CLUE! This will help the economy, this will create jobs and future events in the Twin Cities. On a 200.00 grocery bill you are going to pay 1.00 extra. One damn dollar, oh mercy me. Oh and on game day, when the average fan drops 300.00, that is 1.50 per person. 102,000 on game day just from taxes on sales. Then the parking, etc, etc, etc. You act like you are going to foot this bill all by yourselves. Well guess what, last time I checked Ramsey county has an open economy, no fences have been built to keep people from spending money there.


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