(Updated): Prayer, politics and the debt crisis

  • Article by: SUSAN HOGAN , Star Tribune
  • Updated: July 28, 2011 - 2:27 PM

Several religious leaders were arrested today inside the nation’s Capitol for refusing to disband a prayer service.

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ranger1873Jul. 28, 1112:26 PM

It's amazing how many "religious leaders" fail to understand the meaning of John 21. When Jesus said "feed my sheep" he was talking to Peter, not to Pilate. That means he was addressing the church, not government.

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granma4peaceJul. 28, 11 2:17 PM

Ranger1873: Balderdash. You don't know what Jesus meant when he said that. You don't even know for sure if he did say it.

Aside from that, this country doesn't arrange it's affairs based on what Jesus said or didn't say. The bishops are citizens and have a right to express their opinions. If they are in favor of social programs helping the poor, then they get a gold star on their foreheads, far as I'm concerned.

Churches taking over the care of the poor didn't work in the 19th century and it sure as heck won't work in the 21st.

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cochranjasonJul. 28, 11 2:26 PM

But someone answer me this- If the religious and Christian leaders want to support programs for the poor, why do so many of their flock vote Republican and are against ANY programs that help the poor out???

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bik4u62Jul. 28, 11 2:32 PM

Rebels. I assume they are out on bail now? Or were they simply released early? If so, I suppose they have monthly parole officer visits. I hope they were rehabilitated. Life as an ex-con is very difficult. :)

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angel123Jul. 28, 11 4:21 PM

The Catholic church wants nothing to do with birth control. Can you imagine how many more million people there would be if people really listened! Procreation was needed thousands of years ago, but, we don't need to fill up the world. The world is full enough and we all know how much time and money is needed to raise children. It is not the churches responsibility to control people' lives. If I need to be saved, consoled or blessed before I die, I will call them. I will not leave it to the church to tell me how many children I will bring into this world!

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patrickjdJul. 28, 11 6:53 PM

cochranjason: Religious people vote overwhelmingly for Republicans because: "God helps those who help themselves." "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day (Dems). Teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime (Repubs)." Religious voters KNOW that Obama is NOT 'The Chosen One'. They are smart enough to choose the best schools for their kids instead of letting the Dems to it. Any questions?

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mondaveauJul. 28, 11 8:10 PM

gramma4peace-It's great that you are supportive of the bishops expressing their view. It's a shame that you can't as be supportive of ranger expressing his/hers. I give generously to the needy but despise doing so through government. Does this receive a gold star as well or does it have to be channeled taxpayer supported programs? The former simply helps whereas the latter serves to buy votes.

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granma4peaceJul. 28, 1110:41 PM

mondaveau: Private charity can't possibly do it all. Have you never read any history? When private charity was all there was, how well do you think that was working? Poverty was rife, suffering was rampant and YOU and your ilk want to return to the 19th century?

There is a floor that government needs to provide, so that people don't have to beg in the gutter with a tin cup. Private charity can't begin to take care of all the need there is in this country.

People of your ilk insist on associating poverty and need with punishment from god for wrongdoing. I find that extremely repugnant.

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notheocrat12Jul. 28, 1110:42 PM

ranger1873- Why believe anyone, especially on a chatboard, that they can speak for Jesus...or even validate those words were actually spoken by Him? Must be the Republican Jesus, right?

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LakeliverJul. 28, 1111:00 PM

mondaveau Clearly you are oblivious to what's really going on in this country: 43 million living in poverty and 16 million of them children. 25% of our kids now live in poverty. Private charity is fine but it's obviously not up to doing what Christ tells us to do more than any other admonishment in the New Testament: to help those poor brothers and sisters among us. The excuse about detesting to help them through government is a disgusting cop out that makes no sense. Let's face it: the real god worshipped most seriously by most republicans is money. Patrickjd you're witless stereotypes show a shallow mind incapable of meaningful differentiation. I don't believe all republicans are alike as you mindlessly do democrats. It's so easy and lacking in intelligence to group everyone with the same label as if they were exactly the same, especially when you belong to a party that insists everyone sign oaths so any individuality is rejected.

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