Cops, prosecutors slam gun bill

  • Article by: BOB VON STERNBERG , Star Tribune
  • Updated: May 12, 2011 - 9:51 PM

Police and DFLers were emphatic: It is a bad idea all around.

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rlvandyMay. 12, 11 9:58 PM

If it were up to the cops, they would be the only ones with guns...and this is coming from a cop.

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stryper1961May. 12, 1110:06 PM

...this bill would give better ability for the average citizen to protect themselves during the first moments of a crime...the time when no police officer will be able to help. This objection by them is self serving because they dont want the average guy to have that much latitude. This is a good bill and i fervently hope it passes. That any of these entities, the police, prosecutors and such oppose this is reprehensible to me......and they wonder why so many people are anti-police and anti-system.

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Reddawg51May. 12, 1110:07 PM

It's a proven fact that the police can't protect us. Proper gun training for the populace will do nothing but aid the police. Criminals will think twice about trying

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sbuffalo45May. 12, 1110:09 PM

So its okay for Obama to send in Navy Seals to kill a man in his underwear, in a foreign country? Not only okay but admiring comparisons of the movie The Godfather made by NY Times columnist Maureen Dowd. It's okay for the retiring mayor of Chicago to have several police serve as body guards. It is not okay for a 61 year old marine to fire shots at his attackers in the parking lot of his apartment at 25th and Pillsbury? Even Michael Dukakis knew that man has a natural right to defend himself and helped protect the right of the castle doctrine after liberal judges told an abused wife she should have escaped out a window to flee her armed abusive husband instead of shooting him down after he broke down her door.

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sonjalangMay. 12, 1110:13 PM

Gun safety training doesn't come close to the training the cops have, and the cops' jobs are still difficult after all that training. I'm not my own doctor, my own lawyer, nor my own cop. We can already possess guns, but we shouldn't pretend that makes us police.

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smallergovtMay. 12, 1110:27 PM

Don't let them fool you. The facts: 1) You cannot just shoot anyone that enters your home. You still must be in fear of great bodily harm, use a lesser force if possible, and be a reluctant participant (i.e. you did not instigate the attack). This only alleviates the need to flee on your own property. Fail these tests and you can still be prosecuted 9so you pizza delivery guys and paperboys are still safe too). 2) This bill FORCES the State to submit required mental health data to the National Instant Background Check system (NICS) to prevent further unlawful gun purchases. This is stronger gun control than we have now as the State is failing to do this, which is not mandatory. 3) If a cop enters your property and properly identifies himself as is required, you fail the great bodily harm threat and you will prosecuted for firing as you would today. 4) If you shoot a perp after meeting these tests, himself or his family cannot bring civil lawsuits against you. If a stray bullet from you goes into your neighbor's house and injures him, he can still sue you. This is considered a separate incident and is not immune. You must know your target, what is behind it and be properly trained to shoot or suffer the consequences of "innocents" being injured. 5) This bill keeps law enforcement from taking away law abiding citizens guns during a crisis. Remember Katrina and all those that were left to defend themselves against looters after being disarmed? Just when you need them the most. Continued on next post…

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smallergovtMay. 12, 1110:27 PM

Continued… 6) Yes, the bill extends the maturity of permits to acquire handguns from 1 yr to 5, BUT it mandates an annual NICS check by the State, another point that is stronger gun control than today especially for carry permit holders, and is designed to actually cut down on State expenses with yearly permitting. 7) Yes, it does allow out of state carry permits to be recognized in MN, BUT those holders must abide by all MN gun laws AND the requisite chief of police can get court orders to remove that permit if reasonable violations apply. 8) If you shoot a perp today in defense, you are arrested and questioned. If it's not crystal clear that you met all the reasonable tests, you can be tried in court AND the burden of proof is on you to convince 12 jurors you acted properly. This bill switches the burden of proof to the State and now the DA needs to convict with 12 votes beyond a reasonable doubt. You were not the perp remember, but the victim. 9) And last, yes these police heads are against it, BUT rememebr they are all hired and report to a majority of liberal mayors who have very anti-gun views. In fact, Chief Knight of Chaska (who was the most adamant against this bill) is an expert witness for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence (the most liberal anti-gun organization of today), so has a bit more at stake here (but not your own individual safety). Overall, this law strengthens some gun control laws today, gives law abiding citizens rights they should have as victims of crime, and should be passed. Read it yourself and discover the "spin" that is being put on this highly logical law.

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metromanMay. 12, 1110:33 PM

In St Paul it won't endanger the cops-it takes them an hour or two to answer a call.

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highlife75May. 12, 1110:33 PM

Huh, why would Police Chiefs be against this? The crime rate has dropped substantially in every state that has instigated Conceal Carry, and Castle Doctrine? The Cities with the strictest gun laws, or gun bans, have the highest violent crime rates? Maybe they just want to keep their high paying job and pass on the mayors liberal political agenda?

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smallergovtMay. 12, 1110:33 PM

"Public safety and criminal justice bills ought to enhance safety, and this one does not," Freeman said. Existing law enhances safety for the intruders. This one makes it right for the victims, so yeah it does enhance our safety.

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