A 'silly' debate about torture? What a senseless argument

  • Article by: PETER DROSS
  • Updated: May 12, 2011 - 9:22 PM
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goferfanzMay. 12, 1110:54 PM

Actually, I read the prior column and Mr Dross's snarky column obviously missed the point of the Ambrose column = Ambrose correctly stated it is an opinion as to what torture "is" (waterboarding v abortion v barking dogs v bamboo under nails) while Douthat's recent column similarly highlighted people's "outrage" over war policy --->it clearly/stunningly related as to whom was sitting in the White House. Indeed, far from being "claptrap," the Ambrose and Douthat columns reveal much about our human experience, ie war protests are largely driven by politics, and/or, one person's definition of "torture" is another person's "constitutional right"...........sadly, this means people in Dross's field will always have a job as the world has way too many cruel people.

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parksoy125May. 13, 1110:33 AM

Ethics and morals of people in this country and world for that matter are mostly engaged in the "self". If it protects "me" than I'm all for it. "Somebody else is suffering, well they deserve it, it's keep me safter". That is the unconscious thought process of most who are too busy to worry about such trivial stuff. Not passing judgement, just observing what is happening. So yes I'd assume most are for torture as most are involved day and day out for advancing one's "self". In reality you are doing the exact opposite actually.

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themadhatterMay. 13, 11 5:40 PM

When it was announced that MN was to be the location for this place that treats torture it really reinforced and validated the name Governor Goofy for Rudy Perpich.

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magogMay. 14, 11 9:33 AM

Peter Dross, Islamic jihadists intentionally seek out and murder any "infidel" they are able to. They hi-jack planes, they open fire on military bases, they blow themselves up inside buses, pizza parlors, etc. Why should I care what happens to these savage animals? Leftists don't care about the victims of Jihadists, they only care about the jihadists. They might as well make the complete jump to the other side and strap suicide vests on themselves.

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howaboutthisMay. 14, 11 6:44 PM

@magog: I know you care about our soldiers, and like our military leaders, that is why you should care what happens those people you call "savage animals." No one seriously questions that the Abu Ghraib scandal and the mere symbol of Guantanamo are Godsneds to terrorists recruiting efforts. President Bush realized this and advocated the closing of Guantanamo while he was still in office. If I wanted to endanger our soldiers, I would support torture and write comments such as yours.

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LakeliverMay. 14, 1110:07 PM

magog. I agree with your assessment of ruthless jihadists. You've done a pretty good job describing them but it completely amazes me that right after doing so you seem to say, therefore, we should act and be just like them. It's a really mind-blowing non sequitor. It has all of the factual premises and a conclusion that does not follow from those facts at all. Should we have killed Bin Laden? Certainly, all of the facts that we know tell us he killed thousands of us with no good moral justification. Should we torture people who are already are prisoners and who interrogators actually do insist that torture almost never will get accurate information from them? Anger is not a justification for turning yourself into what you hate.

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faurauMay. 15, 11 4:20 AM

"it is an opinion as to what torture "is"/// Maybe. The experience of getting bamboo shoved under fingernails may not be torture to some. Fortunately, as an Americans we get to weigh with my own opinion. Simulated drowning (waterboarding), which tricks the nervous system into thinking that is is dying, seems like torture to me.

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