Patrick Reusse: You can take your UZR and ...

  • Article by: PATRICK REUSSE , Star Tribune
  • Updated: March 30, 2011 - 12:55 AM

2011 BASEBALL PREVIEW All the new-age stats in the world can't tell as much about a player as the eyes of a baseball lifer.

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samu0034Mar. 30, 11 4:09 AM

Welcome to irrelevance Patrick. You never really hear anything about guys who appreciate statistical analysis saying that scouts are irrelevant, and that their contribution to baseball is worthless. But you hear the reverse argument from scouts who don't appreciate statistical analysis all of the time. Does that tell you anything? When one side thinks that both scouting and stats are useful in evaluating player talent, and the other side thinks stats are utterly worthless? If you don't think the two forms of player evaluation can live in perfect harmony and create young, talent-laden, and competitive teams, I'd like to introduce you to the Tampa Bay Rays.

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MyjahLeesaMar. 30, 11 6:20 AM

THANK YOU REUSSE!!! I'm so sick of people thinking statistics are "THE TRUTH" and refuse to believe any counter points, or that there are way too many unquantifiable factors in the game REAL baseball people must account for.

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carlson33Mar. 30, 11 6:49 AM

One of the best articles Pat has written-ever!--that is why undrafted players end up in the majors--HEART,COMPETITIVENESS and WORK ETHIC will bring out the talent sooner or later. The TWINS are the best at that. Real baseball guys throughout the org. You can see it in ST when they work out. Good, solid veteran coaches/mentors who encourage and teach, and avoid the negative crap. Youth sports should be the same way for sure. Anyone can pick the stars Luckynuts

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georowndMar. 30, 11 7:28 AM

Old sports writer hates new stats - yawn....

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anythingcanhappenMar. 30, 11 7:40 AM

Go Twins!!

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agbeat29Mar. 30, 11 7:55 AM

I think what you'll find is the guys who the stat guys like and the guys who the scouts like usually end up being the same guys. There's nothing FAKE about understanding that stats, taken from thousands of at-bats or balls fielded or innings pitched, actually means exactly what it tells you.

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cole0150Mar. 30, 11 8:15 AM

ERA - a phony number. Wins - a phony number. Batting average - a phony number. Shorter Reusse: all you kids get off my lawn.

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jakemanoMar. 30, 11 8:26 AM

Stats have their place. But, it appears that a lot of number crunchers like to feel like they are a scout and think that they 'know' something because of them. Delmon was a great example. He doesn't have much range and I am sure these stats can show this. But, they don't show that when he gets to a ball, as akward as he looks, he makes the play. Does it take into account that players tend to not run on him? He's gunned people down, but how many decided not to take an extra base because of his arm? There really isn't a stat for that. I love the numbers, but I think they are overdone a bit.

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pmcenroeMar. 30, 11 8:27 AM

"A number like that can't take into account how the player fits on your club. If I'm looking for a leadoff hitter, I don't care about a combination of numbers -- don't care about his slugging percentage. I want to know how often he gets on base and if he can run. So.. to be clear, OBP is ok but SLG and simply combining them into OPS is not? How does that make any sense? Then to apply that same logic to ALL advanced stats is even more misinformed. How many of you have ever seen the formula to calculate ERA?--really rolls off the tounge. Also for all the Twins fan shaking their head in agreement while reading this article please remember this same exact quote before you start complaining abour Joe Mauer not hitting enough homeruns this summer.

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transplantedMar. 30, 11 8:34 AM

I agree a lot with Fregosi, but I still believe you can't discount stats, and they're important in over-all evaluation. They DO mean something, but there are just some things there are no stats for. Call them "intangibles" if you wish, but some things are hard to measure - and some of those can make all the difference between success and failure, for some players.

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