St. Paul shapes new voting system

  • Article by: ROCHELLE OLSON , Star Tribune
  • Updated: February 9, 2011 - 8:16 PM

An ordinance defines the terms of ranked-choice voting. Voter education is next step in the process.

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skee0025Feb. 9, 11 8:21 PM

With voter ID coming, the Dems need a new way to rig the vote. 1 Person, 1 vote seems to be a concept they cant understand.

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fbrewersFeb. 9, 11 8:37 PM

@skee0025 - Democrats need to commit fraud because the Republican stronghold of Saint Paul is threatened by this measure?

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regexpFeb. 9, 11 8:53 PM

@skee0025 Requiring an ID to vote doesn't prevent voter fraud. Its yet another regulation Republicans are pushing. So much for small government. As for the charges of fraud - prove it. Elections in Minnesota have been transparent and have been heavily scrutinized. But apparently you have all this evidence that fraud is happening. Leave your basement, stop commenting on comment boards and put your money where your mouth is.

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skee0025Feb. 9, 11 8:54 PM

@fbrewers - Not at all, but why not rig the outcome in your favor before they become a problem right? 1 person 1 vote is such an outdated method of determining an election. Surely 1 person multiple votes until you get the "correct" party elected is much more progressive.

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smeeagainFeb. 9, 11 9:19 PM

Minneapolis' experience with RCV was uniformly positive. St. Paul is modeling much of their process on the lessons learned in the Minneapolis count. Experiences with the process across the US and around the world have proven that it satisfies more voters since it more accurately reflects their will than a binary one-or-the-other system. Cranks who disagree are free to do so, but must back up their complaints with facts, not just demonstrably untrue talking points.

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mattaudioFeb. 9, 11 9:40 PM

This one person one vote comeback is starting to get old. Someone can vote for the same office multiple times with a primary, a general election, and a runoff election. This just condenses the process.

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betsyblueFeb. 9, 11 9:53 PM

Facts? Minneapolis' Spoiled ballot rate SKYROCKETED with RCV. Many people were confused, filled out their ballot incorrectly, particularly those in less affluent and minority neighborhoods. RCV is for elitists. Click below for the data. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/57744093/Minneapolis-Spoiled-Ballot-Rate-comparison-in-2009-and-2005

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jamue11eFeb. 9, 1111:47 PM

@skee0025: I would think this would make you giddy! Just think of all the spoiled ballots that get used, put in an envelope, and then one of the Republican talking heads can say "80,000 more ballots than voters were filled out! Off with the Democrats heads!" Don't you people think through anything?

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inrealityFeb. 10, 1112:29 AM

Ranked voting is idiotic. Let people vote, 1 vote per person and the candidate with the most votes wins. This isn't hard. The more politicians try to play with "new" methods for voting the more suspicious I get because most politicians can't be trusted as far as you can throw them, especially when it comes to ways of trying to get elected or stay in power once elected. There is nothing wrong with the current method of voting. Our government officials should be focused on making our current election system more sound by requiring voter ID, making sure we have a uniform voting machines, making sure felons are not voting, making sure absentee ballots are counted properly, etc. We haven't even figured these basic things out and now they want to change how many people we can vote for? These people are insane.

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skee0025Feb. 10, 11 1:40 AM

@jamue11e - I would prefer no ballots get spoiled especially because someone is trying to game the system in an effort stay in political office/get into office. 1 person, 1 vote its something that everyone can understand...well almost everyone. the more complicated a system the more room for shenanigans

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